Epic Games Store CEO Comments on $330 Million Loss in Battle against Steam

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As revealed in recent court documents, Epic Games has been losing hundreds of millions of dollars in its battle against Steam and other competitors due to its obsession with securing exclusives for its digital storefront, which requires truck loads of cash paid out to publishers. While losing $330 million isn’t something any company should be happy about, CEO Tim Sweeney has amusingly gone on record about Epic’s financial losses and described it as a “fantastic success” that has resulted in increased market share and growth of the Epic Games Store. According to Sweeney, losing money is an incorrect way of looking this—he considers this an investment that will ultimately result in a “great...

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Isn't there another small services oriented company that when it started people thought it was crap and lost tons of money that is now somewhat successful. If you question what thst company is.. look at the history of Amazon.com. yea not the same thing but it has parallels as a business.
 
Gotta spend money to make money. I don't think anyone expected the Epic store to be profitable right out of the gate.
 
I always figured it had at least a five year plan as a loss leader
 
Perhaps create your own devices & operating system while you're at it rather than bickering with those who have already done so. 30% is reasonable if you don't like it roll your own.
 
Wait, do we love or hate Epic now? I've lost track. Is EA okay now?
 
Wait, do we love or hate Epic now? I've lost track. Is EA okay now?
I've always hated Epic and Tim Sweeney, so this is nothing new for me on that front. EA I go between like an abused wife always going back and thinking their husband has made changes for the better.
 
I've always hated Epic and Tim Sweeney, so this is nothing new for me on that front. EA I go between like an abused wife always going back and thinking their husband has made changes for the better.

Armenius with the dark comedy bordering on disturbing commentary. Why can't you go back to it like a fat man on a yo yo diet?
 
I neither have issue or think highly of Epic. I have gotten 98% of the free games they offer. I'm sure when they belly up, or sell out, I will potentially lose those games.

Don't really care as my investment, financially, has been only $14 for what, 40-50 games?
It is conducive to my game hoarding habit


Free is free. I'm sure they have a plan for this business model. If not, meh.
 
If Epic had spent that 330 million developing first party games, like say Unreal 3, they wouldn't have the ire of half the gaming community, and would be far closer to their goal. Half Life 2 made steam a thing. Fortnite is not half life 2, wrong audience.
 
If Epic had spent that 330 million developing first party games, like say Unreal 3, they wouldn't have the ire of half the gaming community, and would be far closer to their goal. Half Life 2 made steam a thing. Fortnite is not half life 2, wrong audience.
Hmm...

I don't know that you can really make that conclusion.

I agree, Fortnite is not HL2. They are two very different games. You may like one more than the other, but that's a personal thing, and the overall numbers don't lie.

I don't think you can argue that Fortnite isn't at least as big as HL2 ever was. Or that Epic isn't investing at least something back into their first-party titles. Could they be doing more first party titles? Absolutely, but they are definitely re-investing in Fortnite and keeping it current.

As far as Ire... hmm. Maybe. There's a very vocal opponent base to EGS - mostly wrapped up with the exclusivity agreements (well, at least since they got the snooping thing fixed early on). If Epic didn't have the EGS, would those people be completely content and happy as clams? Probably not, they would just be bitching about something else somewhere else - that's my theory. It may not be directed at Epic though, which you are correct... probably back to Steam being too bloated, or anti-DRM, or something.

Best I can find, HL2 sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 12M copies. Fortnite has had that many people logged in ~simultaneously~, and is over 20x the user base. Now, Fortnite alone isn't as big as Steam in total - but it's getting close. Best data I could find: in 2018 Fortnite had around 78M active users (not just registered accounts), out of 200M registered accounts, versus Steam's 2020 120M active users (across all games on Steam). There are two years worth of difference in those numbers, I won't extrapolate and guess, I'll just leave the raw data and let you draw your own conclusions. And all of that is without Fortnite even being available in China - one of the largest markets.

If a game like Fortnite can't drive traffic to a storefront, then I don't know what could. It's a juggernaut, like it or not. And Epic hasn't really made many first person titles since .. Gears in '11? or maybe Infinity Blade if you want to count a mobile title that was more or less just released as a tech demo for iOS Unreal engine. Fortnite was very much a lucky accident for them, and had they not just thrown out the Battle Royale as a half-hearted mod it probably would have died a relatively silent death.

I think Epic's issue is that while Fortnite, and all the free titles and exclusives, have definitely driven up EGS installs - it hasn't really translated to sales traffic / revenue. I think it points more to the fact that Epic is paying too much for exclusivity when they get it: which I get, they are seeing that as a loss leader. They get you to install the software because of Fortnite and other free titles. They get you to enter your CC/info the first time because of some exclusive (that they are losing some amount of money on). Then, the gamble for Epic, is that once you have those two steps done - everything else just becomes one-click, and the sales/revenue will start to go as more people continue to use the EGS storefront. It take a bit to build that critical mass.

I won't say that it's a surefire formula - EGS is severely lacking compared to other storefronts. That was a big part of why Origin was finally killed off, and U-Play is probably not far behind. And why Microsoft is pushing hard to get every XBox feature over onto the Windows desktop. All the free stuff and exclusives get you there -- once. But to keep you there, it needs to be a functional tool, not just a launcher.

Right now, IMO really the only people working toward that angle are Steam (who has everything + the kitchen sink), Xbox (still working to get parity with the console, but headed in that direction), and GOG (by tying in the ability to aggregate across multiple storefronts)
 
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