AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D Will Perform Similarly to Ryzen 7 9800X3D in Games, According to AMD Exec

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An AMD Exec has stated in a recent interview that gamers should expect similar performance with its upcoming flagship X3D processors to its recently released top-tier gaming counterpart.

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That means the 9900X3D will perform worse than the 9800X3D. No different than the 7000 series, really.
 
Exactly.

The improvement here is that the the 9950X3D and 9900X3D will have the same clockrates as the non-X3D versions which is a first but those hoping for a big gain from the 9800X3D, not necessarily going to happen unless its something that uses both CCDs.
 
I consider it a bit of nitpicking but I have read some posts where folks have identified that the CCD connected to the 3D V-Cache for the 7950X3D ran at a slightly lower clockrate than the one that didn't. This, for now, is an unknown with the 9950X3D and may or may not happen given the 2nd gen design with these processors.
 
I would almost expect the 9900x3d to be able to out perform the 9800x3d in gaming on regular non stripped down OS systems.

I mean case in point, sitting in in chrome, with teams, and outlook, and discord, open... not to mention in my system tray MS defender, Samsung Magician, GOG, Epic games, Uplay, One Drive, Battlenet, Steam, Microsoft One Note, AMD video driver front end, ICUE, HyperX interface, Revo uninstaller, Curseforge, Overwolf, and the EA app all running, I've got about 4-8% CPU load across 24 threads, 16 gig of memory loaded out of 64 gig.

Meaning if I had spare cores for non gaming tasks for all of that crap and just the x3d cores to gaming... that would be better over all.

I know it isn't exactly the case, but it's better than NOT having spare non gaming threads for non gaming tasks. ;) Just consider them.... efficiency cores or something. ;)
 
Grimlakin said:
Just consider them.... efficiency cores or something.
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I'd rather AMD put their compact-core CCDs as the second core; that way there'd be no mistaking which cores are 'higher performance', and it'd be more like the Intel E-core arrangement.
 
Grimlakin said:
Meaning if I had spare cores for non gaming tasks for all of that crap and just the x3d cores to gaming... that would be better over all. I know it isn't exactly the case, but it's better than NOT having spare non gaming threads for non gaming tasks. ;) Just consider them.... efficiency cores or something. ;)
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Except I don't think it works like that. During gaming, the cores on the CCD that does NOT have the 3D cache get parked.
 
Grimlakin said:
would almost expect the 9900x3d to be able to out perform the 9800x3d in gaming on regular non stripped down OS systems.

I mean case in point, sitting in in chrome, with teams, and outlook, and discord, open... not to mention in my system tray MS defender, Samsung Magician, GOG, Epic games, Uplay, One Drive, Battlenet, Steam, Microsoft One Note, AMD video driver front end, ICUE, HyperX interface, Revo uninstaller, Curseforge, Overwolf, and the EA app all running, I've got about 4-8% CPU load across 24 threads, 16 gig of memory loaded out of 64 gig.
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All of that running, but sitting at 0.8% idle CPU usage.
Not sure cores are really any bottleneck there.

I mean, heck, I'm on an old 5900x... I've got Chrome open, with a game running in the background, and almost a dozen random junk things in the task bar simialr to what you mention... and even with the game running I'm at ...

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Oddly sitting idle corsair icue services eat between 1 and 2% cpu alone. windows 11 all patches.
 
Yah,

I've seen that kind of weird crap for years as well. You'd think as processor capabilities advance that somehow it would get closer to .01% but yet somehow they don't. I've gotten used to it but still not happy about it. I don't use icue but it's far from being the only thing that should be under 1% that causes this.
 
The 9950x3d will have higher max boost clocks, but will suffer from performance penalties from multi-CCD's that the 9800x3d doesn't.

Someone with a pile of money hell be ton the best gaming CPU performance ever, might just buy a 9950x3d and disable one CCD, making it a higher clocked 9800x3d....

...but if they are going to do that, I bet you can achieve very similar - if not the same - results by just overclocking a 9800x3d (since that is now something we can do)
 
I wonder if using programs that you can manually set the affinity on processes will help if manually setting games you play to the stacked cache CCD and leaving everything else on the non-stacked CCD. Windows, for what I have read sucks really badly at doing this on it's own. Linux, while a little better, also benefits on some applications for pinning tasks to specific cores and/or a CCD or CCX.

In Linux we use custom scripts for our purposes. Windows has a nice GUI app called Process Lasso that can do it for you on the Windows platform as well. Just tell it a process to pin and what cores or group of cores (CCD) to pin specific processes to and be done.
 
Zarathustra said:
The 9950x3d will have higher max boost clocks, but will suffer from performance penalties from multi-CCD's that the 9800x3d doesn't.

Someone with a pile of money hell be ton the best gaming CPU performance ever, might just buy a 9950x3d and disable one CCD, making it a higher clocked 9800x3d....

...but if they are going to do that, I bet you can achieve very similar - if not the same - results by just overclocking a 9800x3d (since that is now something we can do)
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I want to game and have the cores for productivity. Just asking myself if I NEED more than 16 threads.
 
LeRoy_Blanchard said:
I wonder if using programs that you can manually set the affinity on processes will help if manually setting games you play to the stacked cache CCD and leaving everything else on the non-stacked CCD. Windows, for what I have read sucks really badly at doing this on it's own. Linux, while a little better, also benefits on some applications for pinning tasks to specific cores and/or a CCD or CCX.

In Linux we use custom scripts for our purposes. Windows has a nice GUI app called Process Lasso that can do it for you on the Windows platform as well. Just tell it a process to pin and what cores or group of cores (CCD) to pin specific processes to and be done.
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I need to explore this. Interesting concept. Put all my junk processes on my second CCD everything else that needs performance on my 'clean' CCD.
 
Grimlakin said:
I want to game and have the cores for productivity. Just asking myself if I NEED more than 16 threads.
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I've pretty much given up on having both my workstation and my gaming system be the same system anymore.

And this really pains me, as I am a huge believer in the "one machine to do it all" general purpose computing principle.

But the fact just is that I can't get everything I want in the same system anymore, so I am moving towards splitting it into two, as stupid as that feels.
 
Zarathustra said:
I've pretty much given up on having both my workstation and my gaming system be the same system anymore.

And this really pains me, as I am a huge believer in the "one machine to do it all" general purpose computing principle.

But the fact just is that I can't get everything I want in the same system anymore, so I am moving towards splitting it into two, as stupid as that feels.
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Yea but thankfully I don't have a current need for as many PCIE lanes or as much ram as you seem to require for your work. :) I'm just at the tinker phase with AI.
 
Grimlakin said:
Yea but thankfully I don't have a current need for as many PCIE lanes or as much ram as you seem to require for your work. :) I'm just at the tinker phase with AI.
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The funny part is most of it isn't for "work". It's largely to satisfy my "home IT" stuff.

Like, ****. I have this LSI controller and I really need to flash new firmware to it, but I don't want to take down the server to do that...

That kind of stuff.

The only thing I really use the capabilities workstation for that is actual work, is that I have a Windows VM I use for remote work when I am at home. And sure, that increases my RAM and CPU core usage some, but if I am honest, I could probably do without :p
 
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