Windows 12 Is No Longer Expected This Year as Microsoft Prepares 25H2 Build Update for Windows 11

Agreed. I forgot to include Windows 11's release date in the article, 2021, so yeah, they need to give it at least a couple more years until the next nightmare.
 
I went ahead an ninja edited the W11 release date in the post. Not something I usually do this late after a post but it does complete the circle of release dates mentioned.
 
I'll be finally making the switch to Win11 in a few months when Win10 is out, I'm holding on till the last minute, but... I know the time is coming, so my next computer refresh build I'll be doing later this year, it's time to finally do the switch to Win 11 :|
 
Who the f*ck was expecting Win12 in 2025?! I sure as f*ck wasn't!

While I've been using Win10 since launch, my own main desktop PC didn't get Win10 until 2022. Most of my friends, family, and clients are still on Win10. A friend and I recently built his new PC with 9800X3D and 4080 Super, and he decided we might as well just throw Win11 on that since Win10 EoL soon. But I used Win7 well after EoL, and the same will probably happen with Win10. I mean I care even less now cuz Windows is no longer my main OS. Win7 was the last Windows that I mained. In 2022 Linux went from something I experimented with over the years to being my main OS. But yeah if you're building a new system, I guess no real reason not to just throw Win11 on there.

But yeah I think it's way the f*ck too early for Win12. Win11 took a few years to even get decent. It's only just now getting to that point (Win10 had the same problem). Although man I do not remember it coming out in 2021! 4 years already, dang.
 
My laptop and 9800X3D both have W11 and it's overall been okay. As usual some things are moved around which I don't like, such as having to jump through multiple menus to get to refresh/HDR stuff and something else I can't remember right now. Indiana Jones was not supporting HDR on laptop for a bit but they fixed that about a month or so ago. The 9800X3D rig had been perfect so far but it's only about a month or two old.

I'll be upgrading all our business desktops and admin laptops to W11 next month and while I'm fully aware of ways to push it out to all at once, or re-image, I prefer to do each manually, letting Windows do the upgrade since our internet does the download fairly quick,in case something goes sideways and I can fix right away before the user is telling me they can't do their work. Not expecting the worse as testing has been mostly bug free so far but that's around 30+ systems to do.

As far as 12 goes, that might be the last one I have to do before retiring, I hope. It just better not be subscription based as some rumors have implied but I doubt they'd really do that with it, but it's probably only a matter of time.
 
Forgot to mention that while the 5800X3D still has W10 I've been putting that one off until the last minute because I plan to do a complete reinstall on that one since it's been using the same OS drive from my 3700X build. I'm just so tired of doing complete re-installs of everything on my OS drives with my home rigs that I get lazy with them.
 
Peter_Brosdahl said:
Forgot to mention that while the 5800X3D still has W10 I've been putting that one off until the last minute because I plan to do a complete reinstall on that one since it's been using the same OS drive from my 3700X build. I'm just so tired of doing complete re-installs of everything on my OS drives with my home rigs that I get lazy with them.
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Honestly after building out hundreds of windows and redhat servers... redoing my personal system is easy peasy... I mean game installs sure... but saves are generally backed up, all of my personal documents are saved to my one drive. The ecosystem of restoring is just so easy now that redoing my main OS is barely even a chore. Add to that fast internet connection.... and meh... no harm no foul.

Don't get me wrong I don't go LOOKING for chances to rebuild my OS... but upgrading, or new motherboards, and such... yep it's a fresh install every time. Just because I'm an old school windows 3.1 through 11 user... I know that crap gets left behind regardless.

Want to see something crazy... after a few years look at the size of the largest files on your system... know what's in the top... the windows drive index database... IE the history of everything that's been on your computer. Reset that puppy every couple years to keep it well below 100 gig.
 
For me it's usually reinstalling the apps and redoing all the various settings. Not brain surgery by any means, but my day job has enough tedious details for me to keep track of that I don't normally want to come home and deal with more, but I do in stages. For instance, tonight I put about an hour or more into fine tuning things on my laptop and gained a significant amount of FPS/performance gains, but I'll mention that in another thread.

I often use CC cleaner and then occasionally Windows disk cleaner to keep things tidy so no worries there.
 
I wonder if they are willing to pull the plug on 10 with it still sitting on hundreds of millions of PCs just 90 days to deadline. I have to say I'm still hoping for a last minute decision to not go through with slowly turning half of the world's windows PCs into a botnet.

I sure as hell waiting it out for as long as possible. I have no intent to inflict w11 on myself without a gun to my head. I used my home server as the canary for W11 a while back and it was nothing but a clusterf*ck and a PITA ever since. It was broken from the start, and it keeps rebooting itself at the worst possible times and there is absolutely nothing I can do to avoid it short of completely turning off the windows update service. Which would defeat the purpose of "up"grading anyway.
 
I haven't tried it in a server environment, but that does sound like a nightmare, but I've mostly had good experiences with it on my rig and laptop. I wouldn't even have it, though, but both came with it, the rig started as a prebuilt, which came with it, and then I transplanted various parts to upgrade one of my Lian Li setups. I have been, to some degree, keeping track of update/bugs and I have seen some ridiculous things for sure. Four years in, and I feel some things should not be an issue. For example, I think there was some kind BT issue about a month or two ago but somehow I managed to avoid that one. My biggest complaint is the extra digging I have to do to get to certain display settings. Annoyed to no end in that regard.
 
My wondering, what new features either-or GUI or under the hood would a Win 12 bring?

I tend to be a new to new-ish adopter of OS's. Really the only I ever wished I had waited a bit more was Vista and that was just the Driver issues - it took like a year to get some of my pieces and parts on my system working again and a new Sound Blaster.
 
True enough but they do have some odd cadence planning going on ever since XP ended. I do remember how they'll often have multiple OSes in development at the same time and depending on which reaches the goal quicker, that can affect what gets released like what happened with Vistas and 7. I often wonder if they know what target timeline is on the board.
 
Elf_Boy said:
I tend to be a new to new-ish adopter of OS's
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I will if it offers a significant new API feature like DX10-12 as happened over the years but otherwise with W11 I wasn't in any rush and nobody really knows what's in store for 12. At this point as I'm getting older, I'm just tired of having to learn new GUIs and where they buried the settings I'm used to configuring. Another rumor that I just remembered now is that they might be trying to phase out control panel altogether and pretty bummed if that's true.
 
Elf_Boy said:
Really the only I ever wished I had waited a bit more was Vista and that was just the Driver issues - it took like a year to get some of my pieces and parts on my system working again and a new Sound Blaster.
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I remember that and had the same problem. I think it was an Audigy 2 or something similar. Lol, mine is still in the closet from when I retired that build.
 
People always forget how close together 98, ME and XP were. And then Vista and 10.

M$ known for throwing out duds and quickly replacing them.
 
The more they have functions and features not directly tied to the core of the os the less thehbjave to worry about replacing the core for features or capabilities. That is largely where they are at with windows. I remember if you updated **** near anything. Early on it was reboot time. Heck far enough back it was reboot time to attach a external device. And you better do it while powered off. Now they have mid tier systems above server below mainframe where you can hot swap pcie-x cards and have had it for decades.

Its just cheaper to have full redundant systems. Or for the lazy... cloud solutions.
 
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