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The regular banking and payment processing systems are infinitely more efficient than crypto. I once did the calculations a few years ago. If all money transactions handled by banks and other payment processing institutions were made in crypto instead. Crypto would need 10 times the total energy consumption of humanity to process all those transactions. So it's not whether we need crypto, it is that crypto is literally a doomsday device if it grows too large.

Did you consider the countless data centers across the world and millions of people that work for the banks/etc to facilitate those processes in your calculations?

Crypto energy consumption doesn't necessarily scale based upon volume of transactions - most scale/energy requirement increases are baked into the difficulty adjustments...
 
Did you consider the countless data centers across the world and millions of people that work for the banks/etc to facilitate those processes in your calculations?
I don't understand the question. What Banking institutions use presently is obviously just a fraction of the total energy consumption of humankind.

Crypto energy consumption doesn't necessarily scale based upon volume of transactions - most scale/energy requirement increases are baked into the difficulty adjustments...
I calculated using the difficulty that was actual at that time. It can only get worse from there, and I'm sure it got worse since then. Obviously the number is different for each type, I only calculated using BTC, with different ones the difficulty of confirming transactions might be lower, but still magnitudes more power hungry than the current banking systems.
 
I would agree with that.
I would follow that up with:

The stock market is very popular for general investing. And in comparing Crypto to the stock market, I would still agree, on a one to one basis - a single crypto currency is an awful lot like a single stock.

I say that because most people (or firms or funds) don't just go out and throw all their money at a single stock. Part of the reason the stock market is such a good investment vehicle is that there are a lot of tools for diversification - and that spreads the risk of any single stock tanking. Instead of betting on individual companies (although there is nothing stopping you from doing so if you wanted to) - most people will invest in funds, which will bet on entire sectors, or even the overall economy itself.

Now, nothing is stopping Crypto from getting to that level. In fact, there are dozens, if not hundreds, of various crypto currencies out there right now.

But ... every traded stock on the Exchange is backed by a company - there is a legitimate and legal (arguably) corporate entity behind that. They have to follow certain rules, and there is a sense of legitimacy behind them all. With Crypto - that same level of confidence isn't quite there... You've got things like Dogecoin, Coinye, and Whoppercoin

So, there is nothing stopping anyone from starting ludicrous businesses. But there are Exchanges, and they have standards for acceptance. Not every company can get traded on any exchange.

So yeah, Crypto is like the stock market, but there are some key differences. Once there is an accepted and serious Cypto exchange with enforced standards (and there is nothing that says crypto couldn't get traded on existing exchanges, short of rules needing to be adjusted to allow for such things), things will get much more legit on this front.
 
Crypto isn't much different than the stock market.
And that's the problem. It shares one thing with the stock market and that's gambling. The gamble that it will go up or down in value. In the case of stocks there is a company behind the shares. You can research and learn what the company can and can't do. You can make risk assessments on whether the company can follow through with promises, products, services, etc. You can't count fully on what the company says or does or how another company may affect the company you're looking to invest in but there is something tangible behind the stock besides risk.

The only thing crypto has is people gambling that the "value" will increase and they can sell for cash. It's not a currency in any form despite people trying to claim it's a currency. There is no real trust in crypto because it's literally backed by nothing.

Even when crypto is used like a currency it's only value is based on a real currency, what you can sell the "coin" for for real cash. The only value is based on perceived scarcity which as another poster has mentioned can be manipulated in different ways and that's not counting artificial pump and dump scams which is likely what we saw in the last big jump from Bitcoin. It is inherently unstable in value which destroys any possible use it has as a currency. Currencies must be stable to be useful. Small changes up and down are normal with stable currencies but massive swings which double, triple, quadruple, halve or quarter value in short amounts of time make it's use as a currency impossible.

That's my issue with crypto. It's nothing more than an unstable gamble useful as a way to fleece people due to its inherent instability and lack of tangible backing.
 
The USD as well as the Euro and most other currencies isn't backed by anything other than the faith of the Government who issued it. Not much different than Cryptos.

You can also research each crypto coin to see what it's purpose is and whether or not you want to back it's mission.
 
The USD as well as the Euro and most other currencies isn't backed by anything other than the faith of the Government who issued it. Not much different than Cryptos.

You can also research each crypto coin to see what it's purpose is and whether or not you want to back it's mission.

Ok, for the second statement - entirely true, and just like a public traded stock.

For the first part... true, but with some nuance there. Being backed by a government means quite a bit - there is an entire legal framework behind that statement, not to mention that most governments have a good bit of history and stability behind them.
 
For the first part... true, but with some nuance there. Being backed by a government means quite a bit - there is an entire legal framework behind that statement, not to mention that most governments have a good bit of history and stability behind them.

And crypto does the same thing only they're doing it by decentralizing the currency instead of having one or two entities back and control it.
 
And crypto does the same thing only they're doing it by decentralizing the currency instead of having one or two entities back and control it.
Well Crypto is backed by whomever founded that particular coin... but for most there isn't exactly an enforceable legal standard behind them, nor have any of them been around for 200+ years.

I guess you could say it's ultimately down to trust - do you trust Uncle Sam and/or Nakamoto? Because that's really all Faith and Credit come down to.
 
Well Crypto is backed by whomever founded that particular coin... but for most there isn't exactly an enforceable legal standard behind them, nor have any of them been around for 200+ years.

Well the "USD" might have been around for 200+ years as the name; but the Federal Reserve has only been around for a little over 100 years. The length of time is really meaningless. They had to start at some point as well. It's not like it's been around since before Humans started trading.

I guess you could say it's ultimately down to trust - do you trust Uncle Sam and/or Nakamoto? Because that's really all Faith and Credit come down to.

Well the person who started the coin might control most of it, ultimately it's the blockchain and how it works that controls the distribution of the money. This is where the research into the crypto comes into play. Do you think the blockchain is worthy or not?
 
Well the "USD" might have been around for 200+ years as the name; but the Federal Reserve has only been around for a little over 100 years. The length of time is really meaningless. They had to start at some point as well. It's not like it's been around since before Humans started trading.

The USD is backed by the US Govt, so it's the Faith and Credit of the US Govt, which has been around for almost 250 yrs. Doesn't really matter if it's the USD or they change the name or whatever else, it's the Govt that makes it worth what they say it's worth.

That's only relevant to an unbiased outside investor though - when evaluating where to invest, they will look at one vehicle that has been operating in (more or less) good Faith for 250 years, versus one for 10 years.

It's not the only thing to evaluate when deciding where to make an investment, but it certainly plays into how reliable and credible you think that particular backing is worth. You know, if you didn't know anything else about the particular coin or US Govt, or whatever.
 
Well whether or not you want to back something that's been around for 240+ years or 10+ years is your personal opinion.

Crypto and physical currencies are all the same. Neither is backed by anything physical. The faith of whoever is handing it out is the only backing it receives.
 
And that's the problem. It shares one thing with the stock market and that's gambling. The gamble that it will go up or down in value. In the case of stocks there is a company behind the shares. You can research and learn what the company can and can't do. You can make risk assessments on whether the company can follow through with promises, products, services, etc. You can't count fully on what the company says or does or how another company may affect the company you're looking to invest in but there is something tangible behind the stock besides risk.

The only thing crypto has is people gambling that the "value" will increase and they can sell for cash. It's not a currency in any form despite people trying to claim it's a currency. There is no real trust in crypto because it's literally backed by nothing.

Even when crypto is used like a currency it's only value is based on a real currency, what you can sell the "coin" for for real cash. The only value is based on perceived scarcity which as another poster has mentioned can be manipulated in different ways and that's not counting artificial pump and dump scams which is likely what we saw in the last big jump from Bitcoin. It is inherently unstable in value which destroys any possible use it has as a currency. Currencies must be stable to be useful. Small changes up and down are normal with stable currencies but massive swings which double, triple, quadruple, halve or quarter value in short amounts of time make it's use as a currency impossible.

That's my issue with crypto. It's nothing more than an unstable gamble useful as a way to fleece people due to its inherent instability and lack of tangible backing.
Exactly this. Until Bitcoin and other crypto can be discussed without mentioning a fiat currency in the same breath then it has no worth as a currency.
 
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