NVIDIA App Beta Adds G-SYNC Controls, RTX HDR Multi-Monitor Support, and More

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NVIDIA has announced several updates for the NVIDIA App, an application that the company introduced earlier this year to unify the NVIDIA Control Panel, GeForce Experience, and RTX Experience.

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I still don't want this, but I guess it is going to be forced on me at some point :/
 
Not sure what yall are complaining about. I've been using it, no issues.
 
The app is much better than Experience, but still an entirely unnessecary component.
 
Riccochet said:
Not sure what yall are complaining about. I've been using it, no issues.
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My has always been that you only enable/install what you need to avoid bloat and security issues.

Any unnecessary hardware can result in stability problems. Any unnecessary software could result in bloat, stability problems or security holes.

You always want to minimize what you have installed. Always remove (or if not possible disable) unused hardware and software.

When I set up a new system I usually go through the BIOS and disable everything on board that I know I won't be using, and I never keep hardware installed that I don't use.

Same with software. With a fresh install, my first task is to go through all the settings and disable features I don't use, as well as uninstall/disable all the bloated junk I'll never use. (I wish I didn't have to do this, but it is a sad state of where we are with operating systems that are "ecosystems" instead of just operating systems.

Nvidia is going in the opposite direction with this, lumping everything, including lots of stuff I will absolutely never use into one "it does everything" software package, and I absolutely hate that. It goes against my entire philosophy of computing.

  • I will never stream or screen record. I don't do "social" gaming. Gaming - for me - is a way to de-stress by disonnecting from people, not be more social. So I don't want to have streaming or screen recording software installed.
  • I don't need or want help and/or hand holding when it comes to choosing my settings. I do that myself. So having that built into the driver5s is useless and annoying.
  • I do use overlay-like statistics, but I always use a separate RivaTuner stats window on a second monitor. I don't want to have yet another stats package installed I'll never use.
  • I already have game launchers. I don't need yet another one I'll never use bundled with my graphics drivers
  • I don't need yet another program with an account and login trying to harvest my data.
  • etc. etc.

Like, how many goddamn streaming apps and RGB control apps I will never use will I be forced to have installed? I still get angry every time I see the Xbox app in Windows I can't remove. And then there is one built in with Nvidia. And one built in with Steam, etc. etc. Every goddamn software store and hardware vendor wants to push their **** useless app I don't need or want, and many of them have duplicative functions, most of them probably spy on you, or try to push you into signing up for an account so they can display you adds or sell you hats for your favorite game. It is mind mindbogglingly stupid.

(Thank god I use pi-hole, though who knows how much gets through the lists)

I just want a streamlined system without duplication, bloat, or features I don't need.

I also don't like the racy "gamer aesthetic". I want every interface on my machine to be nice boring and enterprise-like.

The model of having drivers and configuration as one package, and these other optional features in a separate one is the only one that really makes sense. Then everyone gets what they want. If you want the bloated/streaming/social/store/all-in-one experience, then install it. Otherwise don't.

Heck, they could even have designed it along the lines of 3DMark, where you can optionally install different modules to the software that add the bloated features, and you can disable them if you don't want them.

Having that choice I have had forever taken away from me makes me angry.
 
Brian_B said:
The app is much better than Experience, but still an entirely unnessecary component.
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I just tried it for the first time yesterday and I completely agree. I'm not sure why NVIDIA didn't just update their driver control panel and call it good, but its dated as hell and the app is much better than GeForce Experience. Unfortunately, it's kind of clunky and the overlay can cause problems with some games as I experienced yesterday.
 
Dan_D said:
I just tried it for the first time yesterday and I completely agree. I'm not sure why NVIDIA didn't just update their driver control panel and call it good, but its dated as hell and the app is much better than GeForce Experience. Unfortunately, it's kind of clunky and the overlay can cause problems with some games as I experienced yesterday.
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I wonder what the incessant telemetry to gfe.nvidia.com will be replaced with (thank the sweet lord for pihole)
 
The overlay in their App isn't as good as it was in GFE - stats are a bit unreliable, so I've been using Intel's PresentMon instead.

The ShadowPlay functionality is pretty good still though and I've been using that a bit lately.
 
LazyGamer said:
The overlay in their App isn't as good as it was in GFE - stats are a bit unreliable, so I've been using Intel's PresentMon instead.

The ShadowPlay functionality is pretty good still though and I've been using that a bit lately.
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As much as I am happy to hate on this app, I think we should probably keep in mind that it IS still in beta :p

Hopefully those items will get better prior to release.

But Ideally, I'd want an alternative way to edit GPU settings without having this unholy mess installed.
 
Zarathustra said:
As much as I am happy to hate on this app, I think we should probably keep in mind that it IS still in beta :p
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I know, I'm running the beta... of the beta?

(this is a beta of an app that is in beta...)

Also, it's a Windows app, which while somewhat despisable in terms of how that all works, it's at least an app manager that can get you this app, that can get you the latest drivers and access to settings. As opposed to having to go download them from a website!
 
Oh no, not a website download! ;)

I see no particular advantage to an App Store - I’m perfectly capable of installing without one. I get that Microsoft would like to skim off of every purchase as well as watch everything you use at a finer grain than they already could, but I don’t really see what advantage there is to me.
 
Zarathustra said:
I'm not going to lie. I'd rather do a manual install of a website download than use any app storefront.
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But you do understand that I'm making an allusion to the old Linux argument, re: distribution repos (i.e., Debian, Arch, etc.)?
 
Zarathustra said:
Yeah, but Linux package managers are only trustworthy because they don't have a profit incentive, and don't collect data from you. A store is not the same as a package manager.
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I hate... HATE to say this but... yet.
 
Speaking of repos, I only found out about this just last year (edit: actually it was in 2022):
github.com

GitHub - microsoft/winget-cli: WinGet is the Windows Package Manager. This project includes a CLI (Command Line Interface), PowerShell modules, and a COM (Component Object Model) API (Application Programming Interface).

WinGet is the Windows Package Manager. This project includes a CLI (Command Line Interface), PowerShell modules, and a COM (Component Object Model) API (Application Programming Interface). - micros...
github.com github.com

I actually use it for some stuff now. Well, just one thing. It's easier and less annoying to use winget to keep Ungoogled Chromium updated:
WinGet_Update_Ungoogled_Chromium_pic4.png
I have no idea why those other programs show up there. I definitely never installed them through winget, and I certainly don't manage them through there.

Zarathustra said:
Linux package managers are only trustworthy because they don't have a profit incentive, and don't collect data from you
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As for the Windows Package Manager: "The winget.exe client is instrumented to collect usage and diagnostic (error) data and sends it to Microsoft to help improve the product. If you build the client yourself the instrumentation will not be enabled and no data will be sent to Microsoft."
 
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