These cards are shaping up to be very interesting. I still doubt they will beat the 4090, but personally I regard the 4090 a marketing product. I do think its a smart move to have such halo product, but honestly... Its huge, hot, power hungry, and very expensive... Yes it will sell, sure, in its limited numbers, but the most important thing, is that it becomes the thing to aspire to, which is why I regard this as a marketing product. I think AMD should attempt the same to be honest, very limited run of a Radeon 32gb or more memory, massive cache, massive chip, massive size, massive power in a who cares fashion, call it the gonads edition.