Tesla Investigated by U.S. Government for Allowing Owners to Play Video Games While Driving

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Tesla recently released a software update that allows drivers to play video games on its center-mounted dashboard screens even when the vehicle is moving, but people who actually care about safety are expectedly worried and unimpressed.



They include the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which revealed on Wednesday that it had opened up a dialog with Tesla to figure out why such a dangerous feature was made available by the popular electric car manufacturer. Tesla owners can reportedly play games such as Sky Force Reloaded and Solitaire even when their eyes should be on the road.



“We are aware of driver concerns and are discussing the feature with the manufacturer,” the NHTSA said in a statement. “The Vehicle Safety Act prohibits manufacturers from selling vehicles with design defects posing unreasonable risks to safety.”...

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Hmm…

On one hand - yeah it’s pretty stupid to allow that.

On the other - why not? It isn’t Teslas job to babysit the driver, a passenger could be using it just as likely, and an inclined driver could easily whip out their phone and do the same thing with no interlock preventing it.
 
I'm losing track of all the things they're being investigated for at this point.

Let's see, and anyone please feel free to add to the list:
1. Various lawsuits or pending cases regarding accidents that've already happened with the autopilot feature. This by itself could have a dozen or so different sub listings.
2. Fires that have happened with their power wall batteries for their solar panels
3. Defective solar panels

If it isn't already happening I could see something happening over dissatisfaction with Starlink in light of that story we had a few weeks back: https://www.thefpsreview.com/2021/1...rs-due-to-lack-of-communication-order-delays/
 
In all fairness - SpaceX and Tesla are independent companies (although they do have Musk in common).

That said - Tesla is in even worse shape than you let on - going back further than the SolarCity acquisition that has some issues surrounding it. They seem to always be just one step ahead of disaster, although as we used to say in the Navy - it's better to be lucky than to be good.
 
Ah Tesla, used to follow it and Musk quite a bit for a while. Not so much anymore. I do have intentions of buying a cybertruck if it ever gets made. I have my doubts it ever will... And Im quite unsure of the quality. Also have some deep doubt about real self driving ever happening, let alone on camera only as musk insists it will happen ( this makes no sense to me , why deny yourself potential better than eyesight sensor data, proper use is the issue, not weirdly insisting in one type of sensor)
 
I do have intentions of buying a cybertruck if it ever gets made.
Coming from a Chevy/Dodge family I might get disowned for this but at this point, you might be better off waiting for Ford to get an F-150 version to market first. Lord, I feel sullied and unnatural just typing that. ;)
 
Hmm…

On one hand - yeah it’s pretty stupid to allow that.

On the other - why not? It isn’t Teslas job to babysit the driver, a passenger could be using it just as likely, and an inclined driver could easily whip out their phone and do the same thing with no interlock preventing it.

Yeah, it seems like a bad idea to allow it, but is it actually law that they have to prevent driver distraction?


I used to want a Tesla. I had a $10k reservation in for the original Model S in anticipation for its release, but in the end I canceled it because I wanted to wait for AWD versions.

Then I had a reservation in for the Model 3, and canceled that too as soon as I saw the minimalistic interior. I prefer driver centric traditional dashboard models. The single center screen design was a non-starter for me.

I still thought that maybe a Model S would be in the cards some day, but then they doubled down on the stupid, and brought the overly minimalistic interior design over to the Model S as well, and now they are not even on my list of vehicles I have any interest in.

I just want a car that is in every way like cars I have always owned, except with a 200+ mile AWD electric drivetrain.

1.) I don't need or want self driving features. I prefer to drive myself.

2.) I don't need or want face melting acceleration modes. 0-60 in ~6s is just fine. I'm not a racer boy.

3.) I don't want any connected features either for driving or for entertainment.

4.) I absolutely require a traditional ergonomically laid out driver-centric cockpit, with a traditional instrumentation cluster, spedometer, etc.

Until I can get something that meets ALL of the above requirements, I'll just keep driving older cars.

I really wanted to be an early adopter of electric cars, but I am unwilling to put up with the stupid these companies exude.
 
Coming from a Chevy/Dodge family I might get disowned for this but at this point, you might be better off waiting for Ford to get an F-150 version to market first. Lord, I feel sullied and unnatural just typing that. ;)

I didn't realize people got so heated about that.

To me Ford & Chevy are pretty much the same generic boring nonsense :p
 
Yeah, it seems like a bad idea to allow it, but is it actually law that they have to prevent driver distraction?


I used to want a Tesla. I had a $10k reservation in for the original Model S in anticipation for its release, but in the end I canceled it because I wanted to wait for AWD versions.

Then I had a reservation in for the Model 3, and canceled that too as soon as I saw the minimalistic interior. I prefer driver centric traditional dashboard models. The single center screen design was a non-starter for me.

I still thought that maybe a Model S would be in the cards some day, but then they doubled down on the stupid, and brought the overly minimalistic interior design over to the Model S as well, and now they are not even on my list of vehicles I have any interest in.

I just want a car that is in every way like cars I have always owned, except with a 200+ mile AWD electric drivetrain.

1.) I don't need or want self driving features. I prefer to drive myself.

2.) I don't need or want face melting acceleration modes. 0-60 in ~6s is just fine. I'm not a racer boy.

3.) I don't want any connected features either for driving or for entertainment.

4.) I absolutely require a traditional ergonomically laid out driver-centric cockpit, with a traditional instrumentation cluster, spedometer, etc.

Until I can get something that meets ALL of the above requirements, I'll just keep driving older cars.

I really wanted to be an early adopter of electric cars, but I am unwilling to put up with the stupid these companies exude.
Idk the Volvo xc 40 recharge looks sweet to me. Minus the possible cybertruck none of the Tesla look that hot to me anymore. I used to be way more positive, but I have soured a lot... And even more with the FSD that has been ready 5 years ago supposedly...yet it has only gone up in price.
 
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Idk the Volvo xc 40 recharge looks sweet to me. Minus the possible cybertruck none of the Tesla look that hot to me anymore. I used to be way more positive, but I have soured a lot... And even more with the FSD that has been ready 5 years ago supposedly...yet it has only gone up in price.
We are due for a new car in a year or two - I've been keeping my eye open for Plug-in hybrids. We live in the mountains - most of my wife's trips are under 30 miles -- half of which are <2 miles to the bus stop and back for the kid. But I'm not ready to give up on gas stations just yet, and 4W/AWD is a must - especially in the mountains. And if we do need to head down into the valley for something - those trips are easily 150+ miles round trip, down and back up again.

The XC60 and XC90 are on my radar, the 40 doesn't look bad but is EV-only, so off my list for the moment. Polestar looks like it could be fun. But I haven't done a ton of research into it, as we are still a ways out from getting serious about it. My only ding about Volvo is the boring looks - but ... it's a Volvo, they were never really lookers.

Guy that lives 2 doors down has Model S. I admit it's a looker. I had heard they do well in the snow, but he's gotten his stuck on the drive every winter, in ways I've never seen a car get stuck before. I think most of that may be his driving though, to be fair...

I am also very much against the "Car-as-a-service" subscription model. I have always bought new, then use it for 10+ years. I'm only on my third personal vehicle, and most of the appeal is having it paid for and "mine". If it moves to needing to subscribe to something, then in my mind at least, it isn't that far from just leasing. I'm very leery about this recent shift where most of the car "advancement" has just been software - updated head unit touch screen graphics / etc... I hate touchscreens in a car. I don't mind and of this being offered, it's just none of that is what I prefer.
 
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Idk the Volvo xc 40 recharge looks sweet to me. Minus the possible cybertruck none of the Tesla look that hot to me anymore. I used to be way more positive, but I have soured a lot... And even more with the FSD that has been ready 5 years ago supposedly...yet it has only gone up in price.

I do enjoy Volvo's (I have two of them already).

the C40 recharge doesn't look like a bad car, but the price seems a little bit high for what it is.

That said, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever buy any SUV, crossover or truck, regardless of manufacturer or drivetrain type.

I am entirely and universally opposed to vehicles of elevated ride height no matter what.

There are only two types of vehicles I'll buy. Full size sedans or full size wagons.
 
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I really don't understand how people can do ANYTHING else when they are driving. I don't even talk on the phone. One time I violated my rule and tried to change a song on my MP3 player at the time (Creative Zen), and I gently rear-ended a lady (no damage to either car). Another time a person rear-ended me cuz she was messing around on her phone. So f*ck all that nonsense. When I am driving, I am 100% focused on the act of driving. Controlling a heavy, expensive vehicle at any road-legal speed is not a task to be taken lightly.

My daily driver (4th-gen Mustang) is a car I've been driving for over 20 years, and I very much appreciate the simplicity of it. I can't stand drive-by-wire or touch-screens, and my old-@ss car doesn't have a single trace of any of that sh1t. Not a fan of EVs either but I've been slowly warming up to them.

Lord, I feel sullied and unnatural just typing that. ;)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I feel that!

It runs deep in some families.
I'm mostly a Chevy guy (2 of the first 3 cars I ever loved in life were Chevys - the Camaro and the Corvette), with strong ties to Toyota (my first car was a 3rd-gen Supra, and I always wanted a Celica GT-Four ST205 and a 4th-gen Supra), and I even used to like Nissan (the Silvias and the GT-Rs mainly). My focus is mainly American muscle (classic and modern) and rally cars, with a healthy helping of JDM. My dad, before he was drafted and then later became an Army doctor, used to work for Ford. He LOOOOOVES Ford. He has a ton of Ford vehicles at his house, and most of them don't work (or are in various states of disrepair). Spending nearly 4 decades with Ford vehicles has instilled me in a general dislike of Ford. Most of the time the sh1t they make are pieces of trash. I've liked some of their cars, Mustangs have a special place in my family's history for example, but if you want reliable dependable vehicles, stay the f*ck away from Ford. That being said, I would REALLY love a GT350 with the Coyote VooDoo. Not the most reliable engine, but a very VERY special one. And I don't even like current-gen Mustangs.

Anyways yeah, when you grow up in car families, that sh1t runs real f*cking deep. At least my dad likes cars in general, he wouldn't get pissed off if I showed up in a Chevy or a Toyota. He just can't seem to buy anything except Fords though. Well that's not exactly true, he used to really like Volvo.

1.) I don't need or want self driving features. I prefer to drive myself.

3.) I don't want any connected features either for driving or for entertainment.

4.) I absolutely require a traditional ergonomically laid out driver-centric cockpit, with a traditional instrumentation cluster, spedometer, etc.
110% with you on all of this. I also do not like the current trend of replacing gauge cluster with screens.

I am also very much against the "Car-as-a-service" subscription model. I have always bought new, then use it for 10+ years. I'm only on my third personal vehicle, and most of the appeal is having it paid for and "mine". If it moves to needing to subscribe to something, then in my mind at least, it isn't that far from just leasing. I'm very leery about this recent shift where most of the car "advancement" has just been software - updated head unit touch screen graphics / etc... I hate touchscreens in a car.
Very much with you on all of this. When you buy a car, that should be it, you shouldn't have to pay a subscription fee to access some of that vehicle's features. One of my biggest problems with touch-screens is that they require you to see where you are pressing, which means you have to take your eyes off the road. When you've been driving a car with physical controls for a long time, you've memorized everything, and you can fiddle with all the climate and radio stuff just by feel, without ever having to take your eyes off the road.

That said, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever buy any SUV, crossover or truck, regardless of manufacturer or drivetrain type.

I am entirely and universally opposed to vehicles of elevated ride height no matter what.
Can't stand SUVs or crossovers. I didn't use to care for trucks, but I've been warming up to them over the years. Some trucks I did always kinda like, such as the Lightning and Raptors (pre-EcoBoost), and I'd be lying if I said I didn't think the Dodge Ram TRX is f*cking awesome. In the end though, trucks are definitely NOT for me (which is weird to say cuz I come from Texas). Too big, too wide, too heavy, and the center of gravity is way the f*ck too high. I really don't like vehicles with high ride heights. My sister is the opposite. She can't really stand cars, or vehicles low to the ground. She only likes SUVs and especially trucks.

This thread reminds me of my previous rant against EVs, drive-by-wire, touch-screens, distracted drivers, autonomous driving, and once again agreeing with Zarathustra on some things with cars (as is the case with operating systems and smartphones): https://forums.thefpsreview.com/thr...ot-come-with-a-steering-wheel.6648/post-40817
 
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This is ridiculous. Your car also allows you to play the violin while driving, but it's not the car's fault is it? We should be in full control, not the car telling us what we are allowed to do and when. I was already annoyed by cars refusing to start unless you had your foot on the brake pedal 15 years ago.

Now there are actual vans that refuse to move if your seatbelt is not on. I mean that would be ****ing annoying when you are just moving around in a depot between loading ramps or want to back into a garage.
 
I just want a car that is in every way like cars I have always owned, except with a 200+ mile AWD electric drivetrain.
Why do you need it to be AWD? It seems to be a similar fad to SUVs. 99.999 % never actually needs it.
I live in a hilly area and it often snows in the winter, but I never thought, hell yeah, let's buy an AWD car for the 2 days of the year when the snowplow didn't pass our street before I drove on it.

1.) I don't need or want self driving features. I prefer to drive myself.
Well, you say that, but I wish I had self driving features when I'm in stop and go traffic. Which was quite often recently since my dear government was taking 4 years to do routine maintenance to the highway I usually take to work. Yeah, since 2017 there wasn't a single day until last week where all traffic lanes were actually open on the road.

So far the most self driving I experienced was radar assisted cruise control and I loved that too. Not having to constantly manually adjust my speed because the idiot in front just can't decide on a speed.

2.) I don't need or want face melting acceleration modes. 0-60 in ~6s is just fine. I'm not a racer boy.
Ironic, since in the early 2000s or 90s we considered 6s sports car acceleration. I think for any traffic situation 10s is more than adequate. Don't get me wrong, I like fast cars, and I think anything bellow 9s is an indulgence and absolutely unnecessary.

3.) I don't want any connected features either for driving or for entertainment.
I actually love connected features, I wish my dashcam was connected so I didn't have to pull the SD card and manually get stuff of it. Also it'd be great if I didn't have to put my phone up with a fugly holder on the dash, but the car just mirrored it on my central screen. And while at it it could utilize my spotify account or just stored music on the phone to play through the speakers.
4.) I absolutely require a traditional ergonomically laid out driver-centric cockpit, with a traditional instrumentation cluster, spedometer, etc.
I'm with you on that. I hate these esp. toyota and tesla dashboards where there is nothing behind the steering wheel.
Conceptually I don't mind digital dashes, but I just see them as an uneccessary point of failure, so an analog speedo and rev counter is my choice.
Until I can get something that meets ALL of the above requirements, I'll just keep driving older cars.

I really wanted to be an early adopter of electric cars, but I am unwilling to put up with the stupid these companies exude.
From the looks of things the stupid will be the norm going forward even in non EVs.
I'm not really bothered, because livingi n eastern europe from a salary means I'll never be able to afford a new car anyway.
 
Why do you need it to be AWD? It seems to be a similar fad to SUVs. 99.999 % never actually needs it.
You are correct, 99% of the time you will never need it.

But that one time you do - you'll be really glad you had it. And as far as AWD goes (as opposed to 4WD), there are probably many times it's kicking in automatically that you don't even realize.

For snow - nothing beats good snow tires if your in a n area that gets a lot of it, but 4WD/AWD is awfully nice to have in a pinch, and is a lot easier to engage than swapping out tires.
 
You are correct, 99% of the time you will never need it.

But that one time you do - you'll be really glad you had it. And as far as AWD goes (as opposed to 4WD), there are probably many times it's kicking in automatically that you don't even realize.

For snow - nothing beats good snow tires if your in a n area that gets a lot of it, but 4WD/AWD is awfully nice to have in a pinch, and is a lot easier to engage than swapping out tires.
I've driven many different 4WD suvs and offroad cars. (occupational hazard) And I've seen a lot of people expecting auto mode on a 4WD car to be like AWD. But it's really not.

If you have a good AWD car like an Audi yes it makes it much easier, but that's an even bigger waste of money imo.

I'd rather rely on my skill in the few cases where I need to drive in snow, than buy a much more expensive, complicated, and heavy vehicle just in case.
 
I'd rather rely on my skill in the few cases where I need to drive in snow, than buy a much more expensive, complicated, and heavy vehicle just in case.
It's your car and your money - feel free.

For me - an airbag is a waste of money as well. Until that day you actually use it. If I can afford AWD/4WD, and it makes things easier one that one day a year I go out in the snow, I'm going to get it.
 
Why do you need it to be AWD? It seems to be a similar fad to SUVs. 99.999 % never actually needs it.
I live in a hilly area and it often snows in the winter, but I never thought, hell yeah, let's buy an AWD car for the 2 days of the year when the snowplow didn't pass our street before I drove on it.

I have come to really like AWD for winter driving. I would be OK with FWD, but seeing that I live in a part of the world where I have no choice but to occasionally drive in the snow, I would never opt for RWD in a daily driver.

Here we usually get more than 2 days of snow a year, but not much more. I don't like to ever be dependent on weather to get anywhere I want to go. I will buy the equipment to get me where I want to go when I want to go there no matter what is going on outside. I have zero tolerance for ever letting conditions stop me from doing anything I need or want to do. I even put dedicated winter tires on my car, an anomaly around here.


Well, you say that, but I wish I had self driving features when I'm in stop and go traffic. Which was quite often recently since my dear government was taking 4 years to do routine maintenance to the highway I usually take to work. Yeah, since 2017 there wasn't a single day until last week where all traffic lanes were actually open on the road.

That's fair. But really, driving in traffic doesn't bother me much. Don't get me wrong. I hate the waste of time, but if I'm going to be stuck there anyway, I think I'd rather be driving.


So far the most self driving I experienced was radar assisted cruise control and I loved that too. Not having to constantly manually adjust my speed because the idiot in front just can't decide on a speed.

My S90 has Radar assisted cruise control and Volvo's "Pilot Assist" system. I would never have paid for it, but you don't get much choice when you buy certified pre-owned. Does the car you want exist and the amount of miles you want? You get it with whatever options it has.

I almost never use the system. It's more of a pain in the *** than it is worth. It gets confused by widening lanes, and certain turns, especially when the lines on the road are worn. I find that it is more work to step in and control it periodically when it loses a fix on things than it is to just drive it myself.

The radar assisted cruise control is convenient, but it too is annoying. The **** thing refuses to coast down to speed. You set the distance to the car ahead of you, and as soon as it get slower than you set it, the thing starts riding the brakes instead of consuming some space and coasting down to speed like a human driver would. I have never gone through brakes this fast in my life. So, most of the time I just don't use that either.

Ironic, since in the early 2000s or 90s we considered 6s sports car acceleration. I think for any traffic situation 10s is more than adequate. Don't get me wrong, I like fast cars, and I think anything bellow 9s is an indulgence and absolutely unnecessary.

I'd mostly agree, but there are a lot of really bad old highways around here with REALLY short onramps. And unlike most places in Europe where the car on the onramp has the right of way, and the cars in the rightmost lane must let you in, here in the U.S. it is the other way around. Those on the on ramp must yield for traffic on the highway.

It also doesn't help that everyone tailgates here. Literally near 0% of the population leaves a safe following distance to the next car on the highway.

If you don't have the ability to get up to speed, and get up to speed very fast, it could be outright dangerous, or you could wind up spending a very long time trying to merge on to a highway, with drivers behind you getting very frustrated.

My old 168hp NA base model Volvo v70 Wagon is the slowest car I've ever owned in that regard, at about 9 seconds. I usually don't drive it on the highway though. I do that in the S90.


I actually love connected features, I wish my dashcam was connected so I didn't have to pull the SD card and manually get stuff of it. Also it'd be great if I didn't have to put my phone up with a fugly holder on the dash, but the car just mirrored it on my central screen. And while at it it could utilize my spotify account or just stored music on the phone to play through the speakers.

I don't trust them. At all. I'm the "Engineer" from that meme about connected devices:

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I don't use any so called "smart" devices, ever. Whenever I get a new phone or computer, I go through it and disable every single feature that has anything at all to do with syncing or cloud capability, and set all security features to their least permissive, regardless of what features I lose. I also always completely disable any "assistant" features of any device I own.

I find it particularly bothersome that my car has a GPS and a second non-removable "always on" simcard that sends god knows what back to the manufacturer. I almost tried to return the car when I found out.

I want absolutely none of that in my vehicles, or anywhere else in my life either for that matter.

I am a huge tech enthusiast, but I have absolutely zero tolerance for things that dial home without my explicit permission. I expect every device to never use the network unless I explicitly tell it to, and I am unwilling to ever compromise on this.

If that means I have to stay in the 90's, I am perfectly happy with that. I was happy in the 90's, and if I am honest, there is absolutely nothing new tech wise since then I really feel I need. I run my own servers and I am happy with them.

Heck, I've even had a policy of "no new accounts" for the last 5-10 years. If something (software or hardware) requires me to tie it to the internet, and create a username and password, I simply refuse. I bought Far Cry 3 on steam a few years back, and it force installed Origin and wanted me to create an Origin account. I said absolutely no way and requested a Steam refund. I still run Windows in a local account only, and do not have and do not want a Microsoft account. If they ever force me to create one, that will be the day I wipe my Windows partition off of my drive.

I want to be connected, but I want to be in manual control of everything that connects at all times with nothing ever going on behind my back.

I'm with you on that. I hate these esp. toyota and tesla dashboards where there is nothing behind the steering wheel.
Conceptually I don't mind digital dashes, but I just see them as an uneccessary point of failure, so an analog speedo and rev counter is my choice.

My S90 has a screen based instrument cluster behind the steering wheel. I thought I would hate it, but it hasn't wound up bothering me much. At this point I am mostly indifferent. (If it ever broke and I had to pay a ton of money to replace it, that would instantly be a different story though)

What I am completely opposed to is that minimalist nonsense where there is no instrument cluster at all, just that supid ipad looking thing in the center. Do not want. You could create the god of all cars, but if it is designed like that, I won't buy it. I wont even accept it for free.

Another thing I really prefer about older cars is having phyical buttons for everything I can reach out and touch without taking my eyes off the road. Putting a touch screen in a car was the dumbest thing I ever heard of.

From the looks of things the stupid will be the norm going forward even in non EVs.
I'm not really bothered, because livingi n eastern europe from a salary means I'll never be able to afford a new car anyway.

Once my newer Volvo starts getting up there in the miles, I may just sell it before **** starts getting expensive to replace, and just keep using my 2000 Volvo V70, because it appears you are right, new vehicles (and devices) all just keep getting dumber and dumber and I want no part of it at all.

If we could have a complete ban on any and all data collection, with severe financiual consequences for the violators that are actually enforced (not like that weaksauce GDPR in Europe) I would maybe change my mind about all of this, but I am not holding my breath. There are too many of these god awful silicon valley ****holes whose entire business model depends on it, and they won't let it go without a political fight to the death.

So it seems we are stuck with this big brother nonsense.
 
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