Tesla Travels over 700 Miles on a Single Charge with New Prototype Battery

[Tsing]

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Range anxiety could truly be a thing of the past thanks to new battery technology teased by Our Next Energy (ONE).



According to a press release and video shared by the Detroit-based startup, ONE has successfully tested a new battery called Gemini that’s capable of providing nearly double the range of what the typical Tesla can achieve. While a Model S Plaid has a range of just under 400 miles, ONE’s video demonstrates how its Gemini battery technology can power a Tesla Model S for 752 miles on a single charge (average speed of 55 mph).









“We want to accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles by eliminating range anxiety, which holds back most consumers today,” said Mujeeb Ijaz, Founder and CEO of ONE. “We are now focused on evolving this proof-of-concept battery into a new product called GeminiTM, which will enable long distance trips on a single charge...

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[Grimlakin]

Great... now after buying your 80+k Tesla, you can go and spend another what... 30k on a better battery?

How long does it take to charge?
Can it work with regenerative breaking?
What is the fastest safe rate of charge?
Is there a quick charge to get to x percentage faster?

Many questions....
Just getting range is only 1 aspect.

 

[Endgame]

If you’ve got 700 miles of total range, charging speed becomes less important. You’re rarely going to discharge the battery in one drive, so you can opportunity charge more, and one charge is likely to last a week or more. Weekend at home? Great, leave it plugged in with a slow class 1 charger for 3 days in row.

 

[Uvilla]

Elon: new battery ready 2023 in all Tesla cars no additional cost.
Reality: New battery delayed until 2027 coming only to the top of the line model S.

 

[Zarathustra]

This is honestly a big step towards electric car adoption, provided the price isn't ridiculous (which high capacity model pricing has been in the past).

That said, the problem with Tesla's is not their range. It is the design philosophy.

Tesla has gone all in on self driving tech, and has used that to justify extremely minimalist interiors with that one center screen and nothing else.

At first you could buy the Model S with a more traditional cockpit, but not anymore. The Model S got the Model 3's ****ty interior a few years back,

I don't see myself ever buying a car like this. As a former SAAB enthusiast, the "Driver first" "cockpit" experience is hugely important to me. I don't want Apple. I want Linux.

I want all the complex details presented to me in an ergonomic fashion right in my field of view without taking my eyes off the road.

I want physical buttons, not a touch screen (at least for most things) so I can learn the car, and everything becomes second nature, and I can reach for and press buttons without ever taking my eyes off the road.

And most importantly, I don't give a **** about self driving tech. I want a great electric car that handles like a dream that I can drive myself.

I also don't want a connected car. I'm OK with some basic services, like being able to install MY OWN SIM and using it to stream music, but other than that, OI don't want the car to ever communicate with the manufacturer (or anyone else) for that matter. I want big brother out of my car.

And for that reason, I'll never own a Tesla, despite putting down a deposit on the Model S before it launched (but had to bail out due to a life change) and having a deposit on the Model 3 (but bailed out when I saw the interior)

Just give me an honest car that is electric without stupid luxury features, connected nonsense or self driving tech, and I will buy it then and there.

 

[Riccochet]

Give me an electric 3/4 or 1 ton truck with 600-700 miles unloaded range and 350-400 miles towing range, plenty of truck stops or charging stations directly off the highways where I can charge while still hooked to a trailer, fast charge that gets me 80-90% in 5-10 minutes.

Until then electric vehicles are useless to me.

 

[MadMummy76]

This is honestly a big step towards electric car adoption, provided the price isn't ridiculous (which high capacity model pricing has been in the past).

All electric car prices are ridiculous, until that changes the average person won't be driving an electric car. I mean even the entry level Hyundai ionic with barely 200 miles of range costs 3 times as much as a regular budget family car here in Europe.

That said, the problem with Tesla's is not their range. It is the design philosophy.

It's the apple design philosophy, I hate it too, but it's not what's preventing adoption, I mean people are buying iphones liket here is no tomorrow.

Tesla has gone all in on self driving tech, and has used that to justify extremely minimalist interiors with that one center screen and nothing else.

It has nothing to do with self driving, correlation is not causation. Teslas currently only have a glorified cruise control. Only the delusional musk fans believe that their 2012 Model S will be fully self driving with a software update any time now.

At first you could buy the Model S with a more traditional cockpit, but not anymore. The Model S got the Model 3's ****ty interior a few years back,

You are projecting your own values, there were plenty of cars with that non driver centric arrangement that were popular with the non car guys. I'm european and I see a ton of Citroen Xsara Picassos on the road. If that's popular, then it's not the design that prevents mass adoption of Tesla.

I don't see myself ever buying a car like this. As a former SAAB enthusiast, the "Driver first" "cockpit" experience is hugely important to me. I don't want Apple. I want Linux.

Yeah, you and me we and a few others don't want that, that doesn't mean the general public wouldn't be fine with it if it was affordable.

 

[MadMummy76]

Give me an electric 3/4 or 1 ton truck with 600-700 miles unloaded range and 350-400 miles towing range, plenty of truck stops or charging stations directly off the highways where I can charge while still hooked to a trailer, fast charge that gets me 80-90% in 5-10 minutes.

Until then electric vehicles are useless to me.

It will never happen without the complete overhaul of the electric grid. I mean 80-90% in 5-10 minutes would require what 1000 amps DC charging? Even if you could come up with batteries that can be charged that fast without damage and exploding, you hook up 10 cars to charge and you black out a small town.

 

[DrezKill]

...the "Driver first" "cockpit" experience is hugely important to me. I don't want Apple. I want Linux.

I want all the complex details presented to me in an ergonomic fashion right in my field of view without taking my eyes off the road.

I want physical buttons, not a touch screen (at least for most things) so I can learn the car, and everything becomes second nature, and I can reach for and press buttons without ever taking my eyes off the road.

I want big brother out of my car.

Amen.

It's the apple design philosophy, I hate it too, but it's not what's preventing adoption, I mean people are buying iphones liket here is no tomorrow.

Unfortunately.

 

[Riccochet]

It will never happen without the complete overhaul of the electric grid. I mean 80-90% in 5-10 minutes would require what 1000 amps DC charging? Even if you could come up with batteries that can be charged that fast without damage and exploding, you hook up 10 cars to charge and you black out a small town.

Not my problem. I simply stated my needs. Whether the people pushing all this can deliver is on them.

 

[Uvilla]

Battery swap, would be a very reasonable way to go. Buy the car sans battery ( or with like a separate tiny 25mile reserve pack), if a battery standard shape/ design was created, there could be a large competitive market of battery makers and services. These things are possible.

 

[Endgame]

Give me an electric 3/4 or 1 ton truck with 600-700 miles unloaded range and 350-400 miles towing range, plenty of truck stops or charging stations directly off the highways where I can charge while still hooked to a trailer, fast charge that gets me 80-90% in 5-10 minutes.

Until then electric vehicles are useless to me.

You need 600-700 mile range and 480 miles charge in 5 minutes? Like I get wanting the capacity for going 2 weeks without needing to charge, but the 5 minute charge doesn’t mesh with that. At a >480 mile drive, we have to assume family trip (honestly, That is flying distance for nearly everyone), and that is appx 8 hours in the car. The wife and kids ought to be ready to kill each other after 8 hours in the car, and are going to need at least 45 minutes of a meal break.

i see people say they need these huge number of miles in the battery and virtually instant charge, but I never actually talk to people that drive 16+ Hours and only stop for 5 minutes.

 

[Brian_B]

You need 600-700 mile range and 480 miles charge in 5 minutes?

You can do that now at the pump… charging time is a very legitimate barrier to electric adoption. That’s before we get to the current cost of range.

Both are improving, certainly. I don’t know that we need to actually hit “as-fast-as” a pump, but it needs to be a lot better than “may as well stop for a long lunch” for folks that do more than your average 30 minute commute.

 

[Endgame]

You can do that now at the pump… charging time is a very legitimate barrier to electric adoption. That’s before we get to the current cost of range.

Both are improving, certainly. I don’t know that we need to actually hit “as-fast-as” a pump, but it needs to be a lot better than “may as well stop for a long lunch” for folks that do more than your average 30 minute commute.

How many cars have 700 miles on a tank? Every car I’ve owned has been between 300-350 on a tank, so I’d have to stop twice to fill gas that one charge would provide.

edit To say charge time also only matters if the destination is further than the charge. Drive 600 miles to see the family for Christmas? Cool, don’t stop and then plug in when you arrive. Not like your going to bail on the fam 5 minutes later to drive somewhere else.

 

[Grimlakin]

You need 600-700 mile range and 480 miles charge in 5 minutes? Like I get wanting the capacity for going 2 weeks without needing to charge, but the 5 minute charge doesn’t mesh with that. At a >480 mile drive, we have to assume family trip (honestly, That is flying distance for nearly everyone), and that is appx 8 hours in the car. The wife and kids ought to be ready to kill each other after 8 hours in the car, and are going to need at least 45 minutes of a meal break.

i see people say they need these huge number of miles in the battery and virtually instant charge, but I never actually talk to people that drive 16+ Hours and only stop for 5 minutes.

You've never loaded up a car to take a kid to college obviously. (Or rented a Uhaul to do the same). You can be literally driving across the country to take a kid to college that first trip with your car packed to the windows with the crap they want to bring not to mention your SO and kid. Then settle in for a 1200 mile drive straight shot with fast food and gas stations the entire way.

I have, did it in one overnight drive with no long stops. Only had to stop for gas twice. Made it in an absurd amount of time. And yea dropped the kid off unloaded and took myself straight to bed for the day at a hotel. Drove home the next day/night with an overnight stay at a hotel like a more reasonable human being.

Had I been driving electric that wouldn't have been an option. I would have had to have plotted out some sort of perfect stop efficiency to make the drive and hit all of the charging stations on great timing. Not have had any of them blocked by people parking over night. And still have take a lot longer for the same drive.

So a truck that can pull great range (or a family SUV fully loaded) has a comparatively fast recharge (I'll give some here) but has ubiquitous charging stations is something I can't go without.

 

[Endgame]

You've never loaded up a car to take a kid to college obviously. (Or rented a Uhaul to do the same). You can be literally driving across the country to take a kid to college that first trip with your car packed to the windows with the crap they want to bring not to mention your SO and kid. Then settle in for a 1200 mile drive straight shot with fast food and gas stations the entire way.

I have, did it in one overnight drive with no long stops. Only had to stop for gas twice. Made it in an absurd amount of time. And yea dropped the kid off unloaded and took myself straight to bed for the day at a hotel. Drove home the next day/night with an overnight stay at a hotel like a more reasonable human being.

Had I been driving electric that wouldn't have been an option. I would have had to have plotted out some sort of perfect stop efficiency to make the drive and hit all of the charging stations on great timing. Not have had any of them blocked by people parking over night. And still have take a lot longer for the same drive.

So a truck that can pull great range (or a family SUV fully loaded) has a comparatively fast recharge (I'll give some here) but has ubiquitous charging stations is something I can't go without.

My wife would say - you want to what? No, we’re not driving 1200 miles and only stopping for gas. You want to do That, the kid I are flying and we will meet you there.

and, as you said, in a 1 off case like this, a Uhaul is likely the preferred method of carrying all the stuff anyway.

 

[MadMummy76]

You've never loaded up a car to take a kid to college obviously. (Or rented a Uhaul to do the same). You can be literally driving across the country to take a kid to college that first trip with your car packed to the windows with the crap they want to bring not to mention your SO and kid. Then settle in for a 1200 mile drive straight shot with fast food and gas stations the entire way.

I have, did it in one overnight drive with no long stops. Only had to stop for gas twice. Made it in an absurd amount of time. And yea dropped the kid off unloaded and took myself straight to bed for the day at a hotel. Drove home the next day/night with an overnight stay at a hotel like a more reasonable human being.

Had I been driving electric that wouldn't have been an option. I would have had to have plotted out some sort of perfect stop efficiency to make the drive and hit all of the charging stations on great timing. Not have had any of them blocked by people parking over night. And still have take a lot longer for the same drive.

So a truck that can pull great range (or a family SUV fully loaded) has a comparatively fast recharge (I'll give some here) but has ubiquitous charging stations is something I can't go without.

It seems to me that you are making excuses rather than raising valid problems. The only range you need in your daily driver is what covers your daily commute and say 50% extra to be safe in case of the unexpected. If you want to go cross country once a year you can hire a big SUV to do that, you don't "need" it year round.

 

[Zarathustra]

and, as you said, in a 1 off case like this, a Uhaul is likely the preferred method of carrying all the stuff anyway.

This.

Uhaul, or at least rentals.

It is amazing how many people make ridiculous decisions for their daily drivers that have huge consequences and drawbacks for every day life in order to support scenarios that only happen once or twice a year.

"Yeah, I drive a huge gas guzzling truck as a daily driver to and from work every day that costs me $150 every time I fill it up, twice a week, year round, because twice a year I tow my boat once to the marina, once back."

It sounds ridiculous because it is.

I'd argue that the best thing to do is buy a vehicle that is just enough to meet your daily needs, and on the off occasion you need something more than that, you rent something. It's a much more reasonable way to approach things.

 

[Riccochet]

You need 600-700 mile range and 480 miles charge in 5 minutes? Like I get wanting the capacity for going 2 weeks without needing to charge, but the 5 minute charge doesn’t mesh with that. At a >480 mile drive, we have to assume family trip (honestly, That is flying distance for nearly everyone), and that is appx 8 hours in the car. The wife and kids ought to be ready to kill each other after 8 hours in the car, and are going to need at least 45 minutes of a meal break.

i see people say they need these huge number of miles in the battery and virtually instant charge, but I never actually talk to people that drive 16+ Hours and only stop for 5 minutes.

I've made the trip from Philly to Tampa dozens of times. About 1200 miles. I've done it in 15 hours straight through. Can't say I've ever made that trip and had to spend more than 10-15 minutes at a stop getting food/fuel. I tow my boat all over the east coast for fishing tournaments. I don't stop except for fuel and to take a leak. Drive from Charlotte to Philly yearly to visit family. 600 miles about. Only stop for fuel.

So, yeah, when my wife and I are trying to get somewhere we're trying to spend the least amount of time getting there and back. What works for you doesn't apply to others.

And like I said. I need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. RV's don't pull themselves. There are no drive through charging stations. Unhooking just to charge is a no go. And waiting around for an hour is definitely a no go.

 

[Brian_B]

How many cars have 700 miles on a tank? Every car I’ve owned has been between 300-350 on a tank, so I’d have to stop twice to fill gas that one charge would provide.

edit To say charge time also only matters if the destination is further than the charge. Drive 600 miles to see the family for Christmas? Cool, don’t stop and then plug in when you arrive. Not like your going to bail on the fam 5 minutes later to drive somewhere else.

Riccochet is talking truck, and more specifically, heavier duty trucks (3/4 and 1-ton frames) -- there isn't not uncommon at all, because you need ~loaded~ range.

Charge times matter any time you go someplace there isn't a charger to tap into when you are at your destinations - ranches, parks, homes of friends and relatives, an awful lot of retail destinations.... Sure, if you can just let it charge while your at your destination doing whatever it is you were going to do anyway, it's awesome, and better than needing to stop at a gas station! But we aren't quite there yet.