This is how badly Intel screwed itself over

Guess why Arrow Lake is selling so cheap :)

Hey, good for the cash starved among us. That's great that we finally have an affordable Intel generation. But I also wish it was the best and affordable.
 
igor_kavinski said:
Guess why Arrow Lake is selling so cheap :)

Hey, good for the cash starved among us. That's great that we finally have an affordable Intel generation. But I also wish it was the best and affordable.
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So cheap = bad?

You will literally grasp at anything,
 
Tyler-98-W68 said:
So cheap = bad?

You will literally grasp at anything,
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Wearing that Gorilla badge again I see. You're coming across as hostile in your communications trying to vehemently defend Intel's newest gen of CPU's for some reason. I don't know why you APPEAR to be taking it personally.

Budget defines target for what you can afford in DIY computing. Always has. Also does in SI provided systems. When your budget is slimmer than the market demands you make balances... like getting the lesser CPU and Mobo to maybe get better RAM, storage, or GPU (HA right 200 bucks... that's barely a OC model difference these unfortunate days.)

We've all been there before. Many of us in this forum are not in that boat. So we discuss from our current perspective.

I was lucky to build out my system in my sig BEFORE the great AI explosion that consumed all things compute and fab. I'm still hosed into looking at 5090's with 1500 dollars in markup over original MSRP. The Effing is in full effect and the only lube are the tears.

Anyway Stop taking offense and being so... aggressive in your comms. It makes it look like you're personally attacked by people discussing and disagreeing here. Take a breath if you need to. We're all here for the discussions and the vibes and while it's fun to rile you up... and sometimes another guy on here. In the end we all want to get along. Look if you had a hand in designing these chips and hate seeing them under valued... I get it. Nobody means any offense.
 
I'm the farthest thing from hostile, seems to me most people these days are just soft and need to fill out hurt feelings reports. People just don't like being asked to justify their opinions, and it usually comes out they have the most irrational information they are basing their opinions on.
 
I'm not anti-Intel. It just annoys and frustrates me to no end when they are deliberately keeping the good stuff (Bartlett Lake 12P and Xeon 658X) out of the reach of most of us, just so they can push their hybrid cores on us. They had the chance to redeem themselves with Arrow Lake Refresh. Give us back HT and AVX-512, even if the ring and NGU and D2D defaults aren't tweaked properly like they are in Panther Lake. Or just give us desktop Panther Lake instead of Arrow Lake Refresh on the same socket so most of us don't feel bad about our investment into the platform. But no. They want to risk a few more quarters of lukewarm or even downright disastrous desktop chip sales.
 
It's not "good stuff"

You really want something without E-cores then buy a raptor lake CPU use process lasso and disable the E-cores, and lose performance.

The BL passmark result above was done on DDR5-5600

I'm not really sure what your problem really is. If you wanted performance then why did you only go with a 245K? Not something higher, or a previous gen Raptor lake CPU.

I went from a 14900K to 285K and don't regret it one little bit. Some of my benchmark scores regressed a bit, but that's all. Much less power consumption and easier to cool AR than RL,

What's intel's market share again? I'm sure a few more "disastrous" quarters won't really phase them much.

It really is that easy, just give us desktop panther lake, yup if chip design worked like that they would have done it already. They don't need desktop panther lake right now.

Speaking of panther lake, got anything bad to say about it??
 
Tyler-98-W68 said:
I'm not really sure what your problem really is. If you wanted performance then why did you only go with a 245K? Not something higher, or a previous gen Raptor lake CPU.
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Same reason I got 12700K with Z790. I don't want to lose money chasing performance. The idea was to upgrade that to 14900KS but I was disappointed when Intel themselves suggested a delid was recommended to get the best use out of it since it immediately hits 100C on normal cooling. I don't want to deal with the hassle of custom cooling.

After that disappointment, I tried to play it safe by going with 245KF to see how the platform fares before really plopping down the hard cash for a more expensive chip. Initial results were great. My 245KF beat TPU's 14900K in y-cruncher. This was with 32GB DDR5-8200C38. But I'm a RAM nut so I put in DDR5-7200 48GB and overclocked that to 8266C38. Andddddd suddenly, I'm not getting much performance out of the 245KF anymore. Seems it only works great with certain RAM kits or denser RAM chips stress it too much. On top of THIS disappointment, Intel slashed prices AFTERWARDS and I saw the 265K selling for less than what I paid for my 245KF. It's just disappointment after disappointment for me with Intel. I believe that gives me the right to vent.

That's not to say that AMD didn't also disappoint me. I have the 9950X3D. It wasn't able to give me the score I demanded in one of my favorite benchmarks, especially since I panic bought it for $800+ early on, fearing that trump would do something stupid to price it beyond my reach. And then ASROCK mobos started killing chips so I can't/don't want to turn on my 9950X3D anymore coz it's in a B850M Pro RS mobo.

You could say I just have terrible luck and I should just blame myself for my bad purchasing decisions. But I don't see how my criticisms of Intel are invalid. Almost the entire world and their investors themselves think they should be doing better.
 
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