U.S. Blocks Export of Even More NVIDIA GPUs to China, including H800 and GeForce RTX 4090

[Tsing]

The U.S. government has announced that it will be implementing new rules that aim to restrict even more of NVIDIA's chips and GPUs from reaching China and other regions that it apparently doesn't like. Per an SEC filing targeting NVIDIA, dated October 17, some of the new products that the Chinese may find a harder time getting in the weeks or months ahead include the A800 and H800—an AI GPU that NVIDIA was able to get away with selling in China despite initial restrictions due to its lower specs/performance—as well as its latest and greatest gaming GPU, the GeForce RTX 4090. In a press release that was shared by the U.S. Department of Commerce yesterday, the Bureau of Industry and Security explained once again that such rules are being implemented for national security reasons and to prevent advanced AI from being used in ways that the U.S. would be unhappy about.

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[Uvilla]

Yeah this is helping so much.... China.

 

[Uvilla]

Don't understand this stupidity at all.
All it does it makes American companies lose money, and delay China ever so slightly, while they decidely take umbrage on this and go their own way while giving birth to huge industries.
China just finished researching their in house EUV machines. Now sure manufacturing 10k parts will be a pain, but they solved optics, lens, and light source fairly ( shockingly fast actually) quickly.
Suuure let us fantasize about how they copy everything and are idiots, why not, its just comforting I guess, like a pacifier.

 

[LazyGamer]

Suuure let us fantasize about how they copy everything and are idiots, why not, its just comforting I guess, like a pacifier.

Well, they did, which is why we did the below, and why they're having to figure it out themselves. But this isn't a child's game, it's geostrategic.

China just finished researching their in house EUV machines. Now sure manufacturing 10k parts will be a pain, but they solved optics, lens, and light source fairly ( shockingly fast actually) quickly.

 

[Grimlakin]

China just finished researching their in house EUV machines. Now sure manufacturing 10k parts will be a pain, but they solved optics, lens, and light source fairly ( shockingly fast actually) quickly.

Because China operates a stolen IP mill. You want something made in China... get ready... they will steal the blueprints and make their own to market cheaper than yours. Probably produced in the same factory you helped pay for.

 

[LazyGamer]

Because China operates a stolen IP mill. You want something made in China... get ready... they will steal the blueprints and make their own to market cheaper than yours. Probably produced in the same factory you helped pay for.

And that's not to say that that's necessarily the wrong way to do it, for them - that's something that all 'first world' countries should understand, they all did it too.

But the consumer side is just one thing. The bigger issue surrounds military advancements, and the general concern that China is absolutely able to 'grind' their way forward provided enough foundational technology, and that's what these sanctions and related bans attempt to curb.

 

[Uvilla]

And that's not to say that that's necessarily the wrong way to do it, for them - that's something that all 'first world' countries should understand, they all did it too.

But the consumer side is just one thing. The bigger issue surrounds military advancements, and the general concern that China is absolutely able to 'grind' their way forward provided enough foundational technology, and that's what these sanctions and related bans attempt to curb.

Too late for any of it.
Cut off Intel ' cause they built a super computer based on it of reasonable size, and were contracting for a larger one.. Sure, woohoo we are winning!
Not long after, they cranked out the fastest computer on the planet, you know, homemade style. These things aren't easy to do no matter what, but, you know they have a guy, or millions of them.
They also beat us to the precious exascale ( a while ago now) with some 37 million core monstrosity, they just stopped officialy publishing progess, becuse we all get butt hurt in the feels; so really we don't know what they are up to at the latest.
But yeah, hold the 4090 hilarious! Absolutely laughable.

 

[Uvilla]

And that's not to say that that's necessarily the wrong way to do it, for them - that's something that all 'first world' countries should understand, they all did it too.

But the consumer side is just one thing. The bigger issue surrounds military advancements, and the general concern that China is absolutely able to 'grind' their way forward provided enough foundational technology, and that's what these sanctions and related bans attempt to curb.

There you go:

China has made CL-20 5 times more shock resistant

Chinese scientists have integrated nanotechnology to make a new form of CL-20 explosive with five times the regular shock resistance.

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I guess they copied the techniques we havent developed yet.
Sure we can produce small amounts of cl20, shock sensitive, and fast degrading. Luckily for them, they copied our year 2055 developments with a time machine and all that.