AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series GPUs & RDNA 4 Architecture & FSR 4: Announcement & Info

[Ditchinit]

I mean why buy a stove when you can buy a 5090 and have a a cooking surface, house heater, and better FPS?
Im not sure what is up with your priorities!


Edit:
Now I am seriously thinking about designing a case with a built in stove.....

Model it after a Blaze King wood stove and it'd almost strike too close to home.

 

[Grimlakin]

I mean why buy a stove when you can buy a 5090 and have a a cooking surface, house heater, and better FPS?
Im not sure what is up with your priorities!


Edit:
Now I am seriously thinking about designing a case with a built in stove.....

LTT did that... a pizza warmer pc.

 

[Peter_Brosdahl]

Years ago, when (either 1080 SLI or 2080 Ti days) I used to defrost hamburgers in a plastic container on top of my HAF X. It was hilarious when my wife would come by the cave and ask what smelled so good.

 

[tungt88]

Pretty good prices: if I can find a halfway decent 9070 XT late next week @ MSRP in MicroCenter, I'll go for it. It'll be a very nice upgrade over my (aging) RX 6700XT ...

Update: my (aging) case can only support up to 11.4" (289mm) in length, so that limits me to one option from the RX 9070 XT list, five options from the RX 9070 list, and (worst comes to worst, but not too likely) a whopping 17 (theoretical) options from the (gasp) RTX 5070 list. I'll swallow my pride if I actually can't find a 9070 XT or 9070 that does the trick (as any of those choices would be significant upgrades over my 6700 XT), but from what I've been hearing, I should be in luck for either the 9070 XT or the 9070 re: inventory choices at MicroCenter on Thursday (I was actually @ MC earlier today, and was able to talk to a manager at their Information Bar).

That, along with my screen upgrade coming in this Friday, should tide me over in the short term (I'm planning/budgeting for a new rig build later this year -- possibly summer or BF/holiday time, not entirely sure yet).

 

[tungt88]

Update: my (aging) case can only support up to 11.4" (289mm) in length, so that limits me to one option from the RX 9070 XT list, five options from the RX 9070 list, and (worst comes to worst, but not too likely) a whopping 17 (theoretical) options from the (gasp) RTX 5070 list. I'll swallow my pride if I actually can't find a 9070 XT or 9070 that does the trick (as any of those choices would be significant upgrades over my 6700 XT), but from what I've been hearing, I should be in luck for either the 9070 XT or the 9070 re: inventory choices at MicroCenter on Thursday (I was actually @ MC earlier today, and was able to talk to a manager at their Information Bar).

That, along with my screen upgrade coming in this Friday, should tide me over in the short term (I'm planning/budgeting for a new rig build later this year -- possibly summer or BF/holiday time, not entirely sure yet).

Lined up earlier today @ my local MC at 6am (I was #8 on line) and got the Powercolor Reaper RX 9070 XT @ the MSRP of $599 (I used a MC store credit that I had to drive the price down to $499 (including taxes). Was out of the store by 9:20am (and got home around 10:30am). The line really started to grow (very steadily) around 6:30am -- by 9am I think there were around 100+ waiting on the line. My store never posted the card numbers, but given the other MC stores that did (they had anywhere from 300-500 XTs; Tustin CA (MC flagship) got 1000, and Dallas, TX got 900), I'm guessing my local store had at least 3-400 XTs up for grabs. Pretty calm and relaxed experience, and folks seemed happy (and eager to get home to toss their new GPU into their rigs, as expected). The Reaper fit into my case just fine, and (so far) I'm quite happy with the results (need to test Cyberpunk 2077 and Space Marine 2 later today on it, amongst other games).

AMD really knocked the ball out of the park re: first day availability for the RX 9070 XT in the various Microcenter stores! Tons of people, and even more cards available. Very well done. THIS is how you execute a proper launch (and match/surpass the availability worries/hype), instead of paper BS.

Edit: Proof pic below --

 

[trynberg]

AMD really knocked the ball out of the park re: first day availability for the RX 9070 XT in the various Microcenter stores! Tons of people, and even more cards available. Very well done. THIS is how you execute a proper launch (and match/surpass the availability worries/hype), instead of paper BS.

Not sure having to be at a store in-person at 6am is "knocking it out of the park". I don't have a Micro Center near me...I logged onto Newegg at 6:00 am right when they opened access. The $599 cards were "out of stock" the second access opened and I immediately "purchased" the Asus Prime card for $729...and then 5 minutes later Newegg canceled my order. Then tried to buy the Gigabyte card for $739, it went through, and then my order was canceled 20 minutes later. By then, Best Buy and Amazon were done. Micro Center is pretty much sold out now as well.

So, better than Nvidia's fake launch but I wouldn't say that this was how to properly execute a launch. And of course, when future cards become available they will have a stupid additional 15% tariff on them (~$100 more per card).

 

[Grimlakin]

Yep even in DFW most of the 9070 xt's are sold.

 

[tungt88]

Not sure having to be at a store in-person at 6am is "knocking it out of the park". I don't have a Micro Center near me...I logged onto Newegg at 6:00 am right when they opened access. The $599 cards were "out of stock" the second access opened and I immediately "purchased" the Asus Prime card for $729...and then 5 minutes later Newegg canceled my order. Then tried to buy the Gigabyte card for $739, it went through, and then my order was canceled 20 minutes later. By then, Best Buy and Amazon were done. Micro Center is pretty much sold out now as well.

So, better than Nvidia's fake launch but I wouldn't say that this was how to properly execute a launch. And of course, when future cards become available they will have a stupid additional 15% tariff on them (~$100 more per card).

Blame big-box stores like Best Buy for not wanting to sell cards in person. I know, I know, BB hates the idea of having halfway decent employees actually help their customers, or doing actually fun or interesting events (they have long chased away their best employees in search of short-term profits).
From all accounts, hundreds of needy gamers per MC store were able to get 9070 XTs (despite some scalpers being on the lines, as expected). I'd call that a win at this point in time ... not like any other physical location store is doing what MC is doing ... the employees at my local MC were friendly and cool; many of them seemed pretty excited themselves.
In the UK & EU, I hear that most of their stores aren't even taking orders in person (regardless if they are brick and mortar, or not).

As for the MC sales, many of them sold out of the MSRP GPUs anywhere from 11am - 1pm (which imho is good, given that many guys were lined up from 5-6am onwards at the MC stores, and many more joined the lines around 9am), with the pricier AIB models being available until 3-5pm. The Microcenter subreddit, and various Discords, have plenty of proof of this. That sounds about as reasonably fair as MC can do to alleviate the GPU demand.
Also, (as you already know) keep in mind that the tariffs will be affecting the GPU prices upwards from both AMD/NVIDIA fairly soon (another reason why I wanted to lock in the reasonable MSRP pricing while I still could) -- this is a "phenomenon" that will be hitting both the US and the EU in a relatively short time (the rumors I've heard are that it may be more (even considerably more) than just $100 per card, unfortunately ...

Edit: NVIDIA does have their queue thing going on, so there is that, for now.

 

[trynberg]

Maybe I'm too old and just remember a time when you could, you know, just go buy a card when it came out. I know, I know, "welcome to the modern world grandpa".

 

[tungt88]

Maybe I'm too old and just remember a time when you could, you know, just go buy a card when it came out. I know, I know, "welcome to the modern world grandpa".

Oh, I hear you (I grew up in the Apple ][+ days of monochrome greenscreen, just so you know where I'm coming from) -- but a ton has changed in GPU-land since the pandemic!
I took these two comments below from a Microcenter subreddit thread:

Comment 1
How many people do you think there were trying to purchase these cards online in that 10 minutes? 100k? 200k? More?

Some simple math we can do to predict the online demand. There are 28 Micro Centers in the US, we will use a low figure of 500 cards per store for launch day (many stores were closer to 1,000 units but for arguments sake we can use the lower number). That's 14,000 cards. Let's pretend all of those sell out today. 14,000 people were willing to come out IN PERSON to purchase a video card on launch day, some even camped or came hours before store opening, to a very small retail chain that the majority of the country does not have access to.

With that knowledge, just speculate the online demand for this card without access or the ability to come out in person to buy one; MASSIVE. It's unsatisfiable by almost any metric.

Comment 2
I am totally with ya, people just don’t understand that the market will never again be what it was 5+ years ago. Consumer demand is through the roof, supply is incredibly constrained on the manufacturing side, competition for chips with commercial users is at all time highs (levels unimaginable in the past), generational improvements are becoming ever more marginal, there’s a significant number of consumers with lots of disposable income, inflation/tariffs/logistics costs continue to impact the supply chain. Prices are not ever going to come down to pre pandemic levels and supply will never be as prolific as it used to be - we have entered a new paradigm.

 

[Brian_B]

So a thought -

These Day 1 sellouts are amazing really. Goes to show there is ~a lot~ of pent up demand.

But they don't mean the sky is falling or that anyone fell down on manufacturing. The real tell will be how stock looks a couple of weeks from now. Can they keep up with demand, or do the shelves stay empty for weeks/months as prices creep upward?

If stock levels stabilize - it was just the initial bump of pent up demand - once that dies down, the availability and prices will stabilize back out. Sometimes AMD gets this right, sometimes they completely whiff.

If the manufacturing output isn't there, though - availability remains non-existent, prices keep creeping upward, and that's what everyone is afraid of because we all remember it from Mining/Covid days... and nVidia...

A lot of companies are afraid to ramp production up, they all remember gluts of product in the mining bubble days. There's gotta be some happy medium though.

I couldn't say which way this will go. But I would certainly bet on nVidia doing the latter, because that seems to be their post-mining bubble mode of operation: keep supply artificially low to keep demand/hype artificially high