A Troubling Trend Is Growing as PC Hardware Manufacturers Cancel Orders Only to Repost the Same Product at a Higher Price

I saw this as well. Just makes me trust an Amazon over any distinct manufacturer.

Right now Corsair and Zotac are on my **** list. Corsair slightly less so.
 
I never liked Zotac. Their GPUs are the cheapest in my region and never once did I feel the need to get even a RTX 5050 because they have a reputation of using crappy thermal solution and their fans are noisy and die early. I do have a Zotac 3090 I bought used for $652 but the seller had it repasted and replaced all the thermal pads and the temps under load seemed nothing to be concerned about. Plus, that story where Zotac support told the user they could throw their card away at no charge...man, how scummy and desperate must they be for making a few dollars at the expense of their customers!

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1pe7ht9/just_a_warning_if_your_planning_to_buy_a_zotac
 
Zotac is at the top of my ****list right now. And I'm always eyeballing a 5090... it's a problem lol.

Corsair slightly less so because they have made some people right that got caught up in their markup extravaganza.
 
Corsair is the worst offender on the Reddit PC subs, for doing DDR owners dirty on RMAs. Zotac has always been :poop: tier.
 
I think it is easy and simplistic to lash out at Corsair and Zotac. I am not dismissing or forgetting any behavior just keeping perspective that those companies and many others are also victims of the AI boom and greedy chip makers.

GEEZE - I just AI'd how long and how much to open a new fab. Takes twice as long in the US too.

12-18 months in Taiwan
4.5-5 years in the US
25+ billion US $ for state of the art facilities
 
Elf_Boy said:
I think it is easy and simplistic to lash out at Corsair and Zotac. I am not dismissing or forgetting any behavior just keeping perspective that those companies and many others are also victims of the AI boom and greedy chip makers.

GEEZE - I just AI'd how long and how much to open a new fab. Takes twice as long in the US too.

12-18 months in Taiwan
4.5-5 years in the US
25+ billion US $ for state of the art facilities
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The problem here isn't that Zotac and Corsair are raising prices. If they are taking orders ahead of production without a contract signed for supplies to meet the demand of sed production already on contract at negotiated rates (as is expected) then pricing their goods based on those rates then they are bad at business.

What I suspect is happening here is they have done exactly that and have established costs but are profiteering in the worst way possible and cancelling standing orders at the lower cost because the market at large currently demands a higher cost.

So they are increasing their profit on orders already sold by cancelling them and forcing customers to re-order or simply not buy from them.

In this case they are the worst kind of vendor and need to be called out for it.
 
I've tried 2 Zotac (a 4090 and 5090) cards in recent years and both worked out for me but it took decades of folks that I personally know who had good experiences with them before I was willing to take that chance because I too felt there was something cheap about them. I will say the ones I got honestly performed admirably and I have no regrets with them and I think they do have a feel of quality when you hold them. I say this because I was expecting them to feel cheap and use lightweight plastic, and be overall flimsy but that was not the case with the models I got.

That aside, yeah, this is some seriously shady crap stuff going on but I'm not so sure everyone will be fine if they bow out. I'm not okay with what they've done recently by any means and plan to boycott them unless they imrpove, that is if I ever buy another GPU which is starting to look doubtful. On the other hand, Corsair doesn't deserve a free ride either because there were a lot of people who got screwed when their orders got canceled and they did the same thing as Zotac.

We've already seen EVGA fall and the US market doesn't have as nearly many options as they do in Asia. I am very concerned because if they go we're essentially left with MSI/GIGABYTE/ASUS. Does anyone remember the last time they bought a GPU from PNY? Am I forgetting anyone else?

I keep hoping GALAX will fully return to the U.S. but the closest that's happened are with their more vanilla models and not the fancy high end monsters exclusively offered in Asia. I've done a few posts on these over the years, heavily OCd, liquid cooled, and custom BIOS, basically the kind of stuff we been seeing more of from ASUS recently but GALAX has been doing for years. They've had some beastly 3090, 4090, and 5090 models

Point is, until NV and AMD start being abundantly clear about what's happening, we have a growing void regarding graphics card manufacturers and it looks like it could get a whole lot worse.
 
Brian_B said:
This is exactly what came first to my mind too.
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Just spitballing below-

As has been discussed here before; Nvidia is likely thinking, the sooner the masses are on a Geforce NOW subscription, the better. They can have Foxconn churn out the GPUs for it. Their partnership with MediaTek could be heading that direction? Devices to play anywhere, especially the cloud? I have probably missed tons of relevant news blurbs pertaining to these things.

The AIBs can survive on table scaps, or not. That Q report came out showing gaming was single digits revenue. Then the presentation where he mention gaming once for barely a hot second. And even that was to push AI. The latest shots fired- "relentless negativity" and "doomer narratives" surrounding artificial intelligence are "not helpful to society" and have caused damage"

Leather jacket man with too many spatulas does not need gamers anymore. The push into robotics is much more important now. But getting gamers on a subscription that provides steady monthly revenue, is certainly money they won't leave on the table.

Jeff and Elon have their moonshots, somewhat literally. Jensen seems focused on Skynet. :p
 
Fewer companies, selling fewer things, but for more money a pop, and line keeps going up.

Seems to be the theme of the 2020's...
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1pau9o8/compared_5060_ti_16gb_zotac_to_msi_interesting

When I got my first used 3090, it was a Zotac. Unigine was fine. Furmark was fine. Then I decided to check the UE5 Matrix demo (the one they also released on PS5). That demo saved me because within minutes, there was snow everywhere on the screen. I rebooted the system. Checked Unigine and still snow. Closed Unigine and few moments later, snowy artifacts on the desktop!

Freaked out like anything. Called the local seller. He thought I hadn't installed the card right. Showed him pics etc. He asked me to meet and gave me his personal Zotac 3090 that he had repasted and repadded recently. Ran that through my gauntlet of testing. Temps were great. Everything worked as expected. Zotac cheaps out on the thermal pads and the memory chips get baked over the life of the card, especially in summer. Probably how that first card's VRAM chips were damaged.
 
My one and only Zotac card was a 9800GT I believe. Worked well for the time I had it with no issues. I usually don't look their way now, but when I was trying to get a 5090 back at launch I would have bought one if available.
 
Personally, I think it's just their name. It conjures up some half arsed corpo image out of a B-movie or sounds like the sound of when you are trying to cough up something. Never liked the name.
 
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