Intel Arc A380 Graphics Card Reportedly Features Performance on Par with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER

[Peter_Brosdahl]

The battle for the bottom of the barrel it seems.

 

[Zarathustra]

The battle for the bottom of the barrel it seems.

Not really what most of us on here are into, but budget video cars are a HUGE market, especially in the developing world where they literally may not be able to afford anything else.

It would be interesting to get some good perf/watt numbers for the A380 and see how it scales up, and what we could expect from something with the power/thermal envelope of current top end GPU's.

My take on this is Intel is doing discrete GPU's for the first time. It will take them a few tries to get it right. No one does their first perfectly, but in general, while I am not a huge Intel fan because of their shady business practices and lawsuit happiness of the past trying to exclusively own all of x86 so they can coast, have a cash cow, and not have to innovate, having them join the GPU duopoly is only a good thing. More competition is better for the customer.

 

[Uvilla]

Not really what most of us on here are into, but budget video cars are a HUGE market, especially in the developing world where they literally may not be able to afford anything else.

It would be interesting to get some good perf/watt numbers for the A380 and see how it scales up, and what we could expect from something with the power/thermal envelope of current top end GPU's.

My take on this is Intel is doing discrete GPU's for the first time. It will take them a few tries to get it right. No one does their first perfectly, but in general, while I am not a huge Intel fan because of their shady business practices and lawsuit happiness of the past trying to exclusively own all of x86 so they can coast, have a cash cow, and not have to innovate, having them join the GPU duopoly is only a good thing. More competition is better for the customer.

I wouldn't excuse Intel for anything. But thats just me. These huge lazy *** companies have no excuse. They are drowning in money, and being cheap mfers with it. That is all.... Oh but stock buy backs, no problem. Its disgusting, and surprising us dollar still holds any value. It is an atrociously corrupt currency... It mind numbing really.

 

[Zarathustra]

I wouldn't excuse Intel for anything. But thats just me. These huge lazy *** companies have no excuse. They are drowning in money, and being cheap mfers with it. That is all.... Oh but stock buy backs, no problem. Its disgusting, and surprising us dollar still holds any value. It is an atrociously corrupt currency... It mind numbing really.

This is magnificently off topic, but a few points in regard to this:

• The reason for any corporation to exist, regardless of where it is in the world is to make money for its shareholders. Everything else they do is in support of that primary goal. If it weren't for the goal of making money for their owners, they wouldn't be created in the first place.
• Corporations have a legal fiduciary responsibility towards their shareholders. In other words they are legally bound to have their shareholders best financial interest in mind in absolutely everything they do, as long as that doesn't involve violating the law.
• No company owes you anything outside of whatever agreement you have entered into them with. Their one and only objective is to maximize profits for their shareholders. If they can do so by raising their prices they will. The only time they will voluntarily have lower prices is if their pricing is too high to the point where they lose sales, and thus are making less money for their shareholders. Absolutely 100% of everything they do is in the interest of their shareholders.
• There is nothing wrong with stock buybacks. Sometimes this is the best use of cash on hand, especially during a time of high inflation where unspent cash decreases in value It drives up the share price for their investors. Remember, their one and only reason to exist is to maximize value for their shareholders.
• There are no good corporations or bad corporations. They are all doing the same thing. No corporations are your friend or your enemy. They are simply doing their best to maximize shareholder value. If a corporation appears to be consumer friendly, this is only because they have determined this to be in their shareholders best interest, building goodwill with customers and increasing their long term shareholder profitability.
• It is foolish to expect anything but this behavior from any corporation anywhere in the world. They were founded by people who wanted to make money for the purpose of making that money. People gave them their money as investments because they wanted to make more money. They are organizations that exist for the sole purpose of making money. Any other effect is incidental.
• ...and there is nothing wrong with that. People need to save for retirement, sovereign wealth funds need to invest their money as well, and in the process it results in jobs, and lots of products people enjoy, and overall drives the economy.
• This is the case even in the so-called "socialist paradises" of Scandinavia (they really aren't socialist at all). Sweden has been the origin country of more internationally known brands and multinational corporations than any other country its size. They create a free market, profit incentive driven sandbox in which for business to play and have a soocial committment to use the tax revenue to make their peoples lives better, and it has worked well for them, as it turns out happier more secure people are more productive at work, and also feel more secure to take risks on starting new companies, as the social safety net removes or reduces many of the personal risks involved with failure.
• Profit incentives are what make the world go round. Even in "socialist" Sweden.

 

[Peter_Brosdahl]

Not really what most of us on here are into, but budget video cars are a HUGE market

I totally agree. I always get a little depressed when those Steam hardware surveys come out and it's the 1060/1650 s that are at the top of the list for god knows how many years in a row. If I was going to go that route I'd just stick with a console for gaming, unless the games I want to play are PC exclusive. I get it when those cards rank high during their release year but it boggles my mind when they hold it for 5+ years but that does go to show how big that market segment really is. Years ago I used to buy the x70 x80 models but found myself wanting to upgrade almost yearly. Now that I've committed to the x80 Ti / 90 or now 90 Ti tiers I will usually sit on one for at least a year or two, sometimes 3 or 4 depending on the rig its in. Top tier cards pay for themselves with much longer longevity and less compromises for years to follow. However, I know what you mean about the costs in other countries. Back when the shortages started happening with both Turing and Ampere I checked stores from the EU to Australia and saw how much more they can cost elsewhere.

 

[Uvilla]

This is magnificently off topic, but a few points in regard to this:

• The reason for any corporation to exist, regardless of where it is in the world is to make money for its shareholders. Everything else they do is in support of that primary goal. If it weren't for the goal of making money for their owners, they wouldn't be created in the first place.
• Corporations have a legal fiduciary responsibility towards their shareholders. In other words they are legally bound to have their shareholders best financial interest in mind in absolutely everything they do, as long as that doesn't involve violating the law.
• No company owes you anything outside of whatever agreement you have entered into them with. Their one and only objective is to maximize profits for their shareholders. If they can do so by raising their prices they will. The only time they will voluntarily have lower prices is if their pricing is too high to the point where they lose sales, and thus are making less money for their shareholders. Absolutely 100% of everything they do is in the interest of their shareholders.
• There is nothing wrong with stock buybacks. Sometimes this is the best use of cash on hand, especially during a time of high inflation where unspent cash decreases in value It drives up the share price for their investors. Remember, their one and only reason to exist is to maximize value for their shareholders.
• There are no good corporations or bad corporations. They are all doing the same thing. No corporations are your friend or your enemy. They are simply doing their best to maximize shareholder value. If a corporation appears to be consumer friendly, this is only because they have determined this to be in their shareholders best interest, building goodwill with customers and increasing their long term shareholder profitability.
• It is foolish to expect anything but this behavior from any corporation anywhere in the world. They were founded by people who wanted to make money for the purpose of making that money. People gave them their money as investments because they wanted to make more money. They are organizations that exist for the sole purpose of making money. Any other effect is incidental.
• ...and there is nothing wrong with that. People need to save for retirement, sovereign wealth funds need to invest their money as well, and in the process it results in jobs, and lots of products people enjoy, and overall drives the economy.
• This is the case even in the so-called "socialist paradises" of Scandinavia (they really aren't socialist at all). Sweden has been the origin country of more internationally known brands and multinational corporations than any other country its size. They create a free market, profit incentive driven sandbox in which for business to play and have a soocial committment to use the tax revenue to make their peoples lives better, and it has worked well for them, as it turns out happier more secure people are more productive at work, and also feel more secure to take risks on starting new companies, as the social safety net removes or reduces many of the personal risks involved with failure.
• Profit incentives are what make the world go round. Even in "socialist" Sweden.

The arc. 380 is what is wrong with stock buybacks

 

[Zarathustra]

The arc. 380 is what is wrong with stock buybacks

What does it have to do with stock buybacks? Besides, what is wrong with it?

It is a cheap low end discrete GPU for markets where they can only afford cheap low end discrete GPU's.

It is the first to market probably because they have early yield issues (always the case with any new silicone) and because this is a huge market with lots of untapped potential. Developing nation gaming is the fastest growing of all the gaming markets, and it is already larger than gaming in all western nations combined, and they need products they can afford.

Infographic: The World's Top 10 Gaming Markets

This chart shows the estimated revenue of video games per country (in billion U.S. dollars).

www.statista.com

The Arc 380 is a suitable product for its intended market, and it is likely just the first to launch, with more capable models coming along later as yields improve. Just because something isn't for you, doesn't mean that it isn't of value.

I'm by no means an intel fan, but having more players on the market is a positive thing. Now if only S3, Matrox and a few others would re-enter as well They don't all have to be the best. They can't all be, but just hvaing them on the market trying to create something that users want to buy will improve the market.

 

[Brian_B]

There are no good corporations or bad corporations

Agree with you on everything, except this point.

On it's face value, I'd say you are correct - there can be no good or bad corporations, only good or bad leadership.

But...

Companies have been shown in US court to have rights similar to people. A company has the right to free speech and political influence, not just it's Board or Employees as people and citizens. Since that right is being upheld separate and distinct from it's leadership and employees, I'd say companies can indeed then be bad or good.

I will give one example where I believe a company exhibited a poor moral choice. You can make a very good argument that what the company did was in the best interest of the shareholders - it would be expensive to properly deal with hazardous contaminants. It's likely even that when they first started dumping it was entirely legal even. And even once caught, they settled with a few land owners for pennies on the dollar for the true clean-up costs, bought up much of the land so they wouldn't have to deal with further suits or cleanup, and obliterated the community in the process. And if you think that it was a fault with just the leadership of that company, I'd point you to Exhibit B and Exhibit C as well -- all three events occurred with different CEOs at the helm.

 

[Zarathustra]

Agree with you on everything, except this point.

On it's face value, I'd say you are correct - there can be no good or bad corporations, only good or bad leadership.

But...

Companies have been shown in US court to have rights similar to people. A company has the right to free speech and political influence, not just it's Board or Employees as people and citizens. Since that right is being upheld separate and distinct from it's leadership and employees, I'd say companies can indeed then be bad or good.

I will give one example where I believe a company exhibited a poor moral choice. You can make a very good argument that what the company did was in the best interest of the shareholders - it would be expensive to properly deal with hazardous contaminants. It's likely even that when they first started dumping it was entirely legal even. And even once caught, they settled with a few land owners for pennies on the dollar for the true clean-up costs, bought up much of the land so they wouldn't have to deal with further suits or cleanup, and obliterated the community in the process. And if you think that it was a fault with just the leadership of that company, I'd point you to Exhibit B and Exhibit C as well -- all three events occurred with different CEOs at the helm.

Yeah, I thought about something along these lines as I was about to post it, but I was in a hurry to leave my desk, so I just went with it.

There have certainly been some corporations that have acted poorly. I guess my take is that among those which are acting within the law and simply fulfilling their legal responsibilities to their shareholders, there are none which are good or bad, but there have been some notable examples of corporations that have violated law, participated in corruption, anti-competitive business practices, etc.

 

[Brian_B]

A bit more on topic.

I'm more disappointed with Intel's roll out strategy than I am the product.

It's been less than forthcoming - a ~lot~ of delays, extremely limited scope releases, general lack of transparency (any decent third party reviews yet?), but a ~ton~ of marketing hype about it.

 

[Zarathustra]

It would be interesting to get some good perf/watt numbers for the A380 and see how it scales up, and what we could expect from something with the power/thermal envelope of current top end GPU's.

I suspect this is where it falls down. Seeing pictures of the thing with a beefy 2 slot cooler, and PCIe power connectors is not promising for this level of performance, that AMD is doing with a single slot, PCIe only power design.

I'm guessing it is running hotter and using more power than Intel had expected, and that's why things are so delayed. (Sounds like a common refrain for Intel the last few years)

Maybe next gen Intel!

 

[Marees]

Around 1050TI territory?

Clearly faster than 1050ti (as long as paired with Intel processor with resizable bar support)

Intel Arc A30M PRO series for mobile workstations have been confirmed - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arc A30M PRO Workstation GPUs confirmed by Dell Dell Precision 5470 will be the first laptops featuring Arc A30M PRO discrete graphics cards. The specs leaflet posted by ITHome appears to confirm that Intel is indeed launching workstation Arc GPUs very soon. A name of Arc A30M PRO has been...

videocardz.com

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[Brian_B]

A bottom tier card released in 2016 shouldn't be the bar for acceptable. Doesn't matter what market it's intended for.

 

[noko]

Makes almost zero sense for such a low end card for a new system for gaming, DIY system, when current generation Consoles smokes it. APUs for work related tasks system makes more sense skipping this garbage. I see more like Intel will bundle to the OEMs these law end cards at a much cheaper cost then what the Retail buyer can get it for, in essence Intel will then sell a CPU + GPU + chipset + other Intel items such as Wifi to a customer. We may see tons of cheap systems with these low end cards in the future.

 

[Peter_Brosdahl]

Makes almost zero sense for such a low end card for a new system for gaming, DIY system, when current generation Consoles smokes it. APUs for work related tasks system makes more sense skipping this garbage. I see more like Intel will bundle to the OEMs these law end cards at a much cheaper cost then what the Retail buyer can get it for, in essence Intel will then sell a CPU + GPU + chipset + other Intel items such as Wifi to a customer. We may see tons of cheap systems with these low end cards in the future.

Pretty sure that's the plan. It's just a quick way for ROI for Intel in trying to get this off the ground. Not saying that I like it but seems pretty obvious.

 

[hubaduba]

Probably the biggest problem here is the Raja hype train that left the station a couple years ago. Maybe it's him, maybe Intel pushed him to provide press on the chip development (who are we kidding, it was him), but everybody should have kept their mouths shut until they had boards ready to ship. Then they could afford to bury the first generation and make an announcement when they had a gaming part ready for prime time.

 

[Soulstorm brew]

Clearly faster than 1050ti (as long as paired with Intel processor with resizable bar support)

Intel Arc A30M PRO series for mobile workstations have been confirmed - VideoCardz.com

Intel Arc A30M PRO Workstation GPUs confirmed by Dell Dell Precision 5470 will be the first laptops featuring Arc A30M PRO discrete graphics cards. The specs leaflet posted by ITHome appears to confirm that Intel is indeed launching workstation Arc GPUs very soon. A name of Arc A30M PRO has been...

videocardz.com

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It looks as if resizable bar is not supported it would be closer to a 1050ti,

Seems to be mandatory
Intel Makes Resizable BAR Support Mandatory to Get the Most Performance Out of Arc GPUs

I imagine the reviews will state whether resizeable bar is being utilized in the benchmarks.

 

[Marees]

even Intel’s own numbers show the Arc A380 falling behind the competition in the majority of 17 titles tested, which include modern hits such as Control, Battlefield V, Hitman 3, Age of Empires 4, and GTA V

Intel has shared official gaming benchmarks for its Arc A380 graphics card, giving an in-house idea of how its first Arc Alchemist product for desktops should compare to alternatives that include the GeForce GTX 1650 and Radeon RX 6400.

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[Zarathustra]

even Intel’s own numbers show the Arc A380 falling behind the competition in the majority of 17 titles tested, which include modern hits such as Control, Battlefield V, Hitman 3, Age of Empires 4, and GTA V



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Yeah, only ones it isn't falling behind in are titles I've never heard of. "Naraka Bladepoint" and "NiZhan"?

 

[Brian_B]

Well, at least it beats the new GTX1630, which is slower than a 1650 yet will cost more!

Talk about value.