Intel Says a “Windows Refresh” Is Coming in 2024, as Windows 11 Market Share Continues to Fall Short of Windows 10

Peter_Brosdahl said:
Yeah, that's my biggest complaint and it honestly ends up going straight to GPU/MS/NV/etc. for not providing full HDMI support on PC. It's stupid that a PC can't control a TV the same way that so many receivers/cable boxes and other things can, and have for nearly a decade now.
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I think I mentioned it before, but I used an 'injector' that had a USB connection and associated application to control a TV when outputting from a PC.

It also looks like Intel is implementing HDMI CEC on their GPUs now, which may spur some progress. Personally I'm surprised that it's taken this long to get any traction; using my AMD rig in the living room is a pain switching sources around with remotes, to include a Blue-ray player that insists on turning on during the process and overriding the selected inputs...
 
LazyGamer said:
What else is missing? Genuinely curious, as I know that other folks use their systems differently.
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My biggest pet peeves with W11:

The settings/control panels are still all mis-matched. Just an example: I tried to use my scanner yesterday - the W11 Scan app doesn't show a scanner installed at all now (despite the fact that I used it there last week), and the older Fax & Scan app shows 3 different ones, none of which work, and I can't add or remove them from there.

The notification area is useless, and mine will randomly switch modes - I don't know why. I wish it would just go away.

The system tray keeps defaulting to stack/hide icons - I keep pulling them back out, but they keep going back in whenever either the software updates or a system update hits. I guess this goes back to a broader general theme - system updates keep overriding user-selected options in general.

The whole Microsoft account thing, I have two (a personal and a work), and my system keeps getting confused. I know I shouldn't mix the two on one machine, but... the software shouldn't be this obtuse about it either.
 
LazyGamer said:
I think I mentioned it before, but I used an 'injector' that had a USB connection and associated application to control a TV when outputting from a PC.
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I remember that and did some research but these type of solutions have a habit of nixing certain features and with the C2 you pretty much need it all in order to enjoy it properly (G-Sync, 4K@120 Hz, HDR-DV 12-bit color plus up to 192K/24-bit audio or Dolby Atmos). It's so frustrating because HDMI 2.1 can do all of that with ease along HDMI-CEC but the powers that be continue to leave it out on PC. Good to know about Intel though.

Brian_B said:
I tried to use my scanner yesterday - the W11 Scan app doesn't show a scanner installed at all now (despite the fact that I used it there last week), and the older Fax & Scan app shows 3 different ones, none of which work, and I can't add or remove them from there.
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I keep having this problem on a Surface Pro 7th gen with 10 64-bit. Basically when the user disconnects the scanner from their tablet and then reattaches it, control panel shows it but nothing acknowledges. Ultimate we end up having to reinstall it. The closest I'm come to a cause is that when Windows gets even a little behind on updates (talking a week or so here) and the scanner is disconnected, the OS has to be updated before we can resintall it again to get working. Totally annoying has been happening a lot over the last 12-18 months.

Brian_B said:
The whole Microsoft account thing, I have two (a personal and a work), and my system keeps getting confused. I know I shouldn't mix the two on one machine, but... the software shouldn't be this obtuse about it either.
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We've been switching over to 365/Azure recently and I've encountered similar issues with Windows 10 as well. Yet another annoying thing.
 
LazyGamer said:
The only one I was truly missing was the inability to unstack taskbar icons and to show the app title. This was fixed in the last two weeks, so I no longer have to use a third-party app to re-enable the Win10 taskbar.

What else is missing? Genuinely curious, as I know that other folks use their systems differently.
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I don't see those options here and windows is up to date. Are you sure it is not only part of the insider program?

But even if that becomes live I'm still missing quick launch. If an app is only pinned to the taskbar you can only start multiple instances of it by right clicking and selecting it from a context menu. Plus I want show desktop to be near the apps, not on the bottom right so I have to drag the cursor a mile for it.
 
MadMummy76 said:
I don't see those options here and windows is up to date. Are you sure it is not only part of the insider program?

But even if that becomes live I'm still missing quick launch. If an app is only pinned to the taskbar you can only start multiple instances of it by right clicking and selecting it from a context menu. Plus I want show desktop to be near the apps, not on the bottom right so I have to drag the cursor a mile for it.
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So to be clear it's not functions you're missing but where functions are?
 
MadMummy76 said:
I don't see those options here and windows is up to date. Are you sure it is not only part of the insider program?
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Only thing I had to do was enable the "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" toggle in Windows Update, has worked on multiple machines.

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Then, the option below appears:

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LazyGamer said:
Gnome (default for all major consumer and commercial Linux desktop distros) has been doing the same thing. People cry, and folks like Ubuntu keep on shipping it, as well as shipping their proprietary Snap application store.

Honestly Ubuntu+Gnome are probably ahead of Microsoft in this regard, so much so that they've alienated vocal parts of the Linux community.
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Yeah, Canonical is as bad as Microsoft, Apple or Google, but contrary to what they would have you believe, there is way more to Linux than Ubuntu.

I've been using Mint (Cinnamon Edition) for years, and while they have slowly but surely migrated into a state that over prioritizes "user friendliness" IMHO, they have been fighting the Ubuntu takeover of the world quite well.

Doing so at the same time as they are Ubuntu based is pretty funny.
 
Zarathustra said:
Yeah, Canonical is as bad as Microsoft, Apple or Google, but contrary to what they would have you believe, there is way more to Linux than Ubuntu.

I've been using Mint (Cinnamon Edition) for years, and while they have slowly but surely migrated into a state that over prioritizes "user friendliness" IMHO, they have been fighting the Ubuntu takeover of the world quite well.

Doing so at the same time as they are Ubuntu based is pretty funny.
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Personally, since centos went away, I’ve been using oracle Linux. Never really got on the Ubuntu / Debian train. Work has always used red hat (across multiple companies), so I just felt like keeping the same platform at home.
 
LazyGamer said:
Only thing I had to do was enable the "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" toggle in Windows Update, has worked on multiple machines.


Then, the option below appears:
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Yeah, it's there now, I was afraid to enable that option, because as you well now MS fired their QA staff, we are the testers now, or at least those who opt in to get updates first. I don't want to be their guinea pig, or canary.

This just made me see that it doesn't even have small icons, aargh, I didn't even realize that until now. Add that to the features I miss.
 
MadMummy76 said:
Yeah, it's there now, I was afraid to enable that option, because as you well now MS fired their QA staff, we are the testers now, or at least those who opt in to get updates first. I don't want to be their guinea pig, or canary.

This just made me see that it doesn't even have small icons, aargh, I didn't even realize that until now. Add that to the features I miss.
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Ah ok so the stuff that has been only recently rolled out. Got it! :)
 
MadMummy76 said:
Microsoft might have been prophetic about Windows 10 being the last windows. It might as well turn out to be the last usable Windows.
Windows 11 lacks too many features that I can't imagine using a computer without. There might be third party tools to bring those back, but I'm not comfortable doing that. It is one thing to mod games, if the worst thing happens you just reinstall the game. But if the OS stops working due to unofficial mods, that is not something I want to deal with.

My computer needs to be dependable and reliable, and unsupported modifications and cloud requirements do not fit into that equation. Which is why I'll never use a microsoft account to sign in on my own computer either.
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Amen.

LazyGamer said:
Gnome (default for all major consumer and commercial Linux desktop distros) has been doing the same thing. People cry, and folks like Ubuntu keep on shipping it, as well as shipping their proprietary Snap application store.

Honestly Ubuntu+Gnome are probably ahead of Microsoft in this regard, so much so that they've alienated vocal parts of the Linux community.
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Can't stand modern Gnome myself. Currently using using Plasma 5, and there's a bunch of other WMs that I like as well, but f*ck Gnome. I was okay with it back in the 2000s, but for the last several years or more it has been ugly trash, and indeed it does remind me of the way Windows and MacOS have been going with their UIs.

MadMummy76 said:
I'm still missing quick launch
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Yeah, me too. I've been using Quick Launch in Windows OSes since Win2K or XP. Never cared for pinning sh1t to the taskbar which was introduced in Win7. I don't leave icons on the desktop background either. Quick Launch was always my preferred solution.

Zarathustra said:
...contrary to what they would have you believe, there is way more to Linux than Ubuntu.
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Yeah, but most people don't seem to get this. Ubuntu is like the first thing most people think of when they think about Linux. That's not really cool. Never cared for Ubuntu myself.

MadMummy76 said:
...as you well now MS fired their QA staff, we are the testers now, or at least those who opt in to get updates first. I don't want to be their guinea pig, or canary.
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Yupz, the public users are the free QA testers, and d4mn straight about not being their guinea pig or canary. F*ck all that nonsense.
 
DrezKill said:
Yeah, me too. I've been using Quick Launch in Windows OSes since Win2K or XP. Never cared for pinning sh1t to the taskbar which was introduced in Win7. I don't leave icons on the desktop background either. Quick Launch was always my preferred solution
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I put the 5-6 most frequently used things on quick launch, and the less often needed ones are on the desktop. This is why I want show desktop close by. Since every icon is arranged to the left side of the screen having show desktop on the bottom right defeats its purpose.
 
Zarathustra said:
I only just moved to Win11 (note my intentional avoidance of the word "upgrade" as it is at best a sidegrade)
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I will be on the lookout for winged pigs. ;)
Peter_Brosdahl said:
I hope you enjoy it as much as I've enjoyed mine. I forgot about the Windows 11 HDR feature. Not about to upgrade my main rig to it but I'll definitely check it out when I do.
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I'm helping someone (long story) set up a new 48" LG C3 as a replacement for an older TV that failed, and would appreciate some input/feedback on several issues, most of which are related to "optimal" configuration of a chain of connected devices as a whole rather than the TV itself, if that makes sense. From a forum search, I notice that you've encountered some similar issues.

Initially I expanded on the above quite a bit, but rather than derail an unrelated news thread, I want to create a new one. I'm not sure what the appropriate subforum would be, as I didn't see one for "home theater" or "audio". Screens? It doesn't strictly fit into any of those categories.

My overall impression of the C3 itself has been favorable so far, though I'm unable to compare it with earlier models.
Zarathustra said:
There are some minor annoyances because it is a TV and not a monitor (you know, having to use the remote for power, not obeying screen sleep, etc, but other than that, not a big deal.
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The remote control for the LG C3 drives me nuts. The motion-controlled pointer pops up automatically in response to any of the buttons that invoke a function that accepts further user input. There should be an option to disable that anti-feature.
 
Tempest said:
Initially I expanded on the above quite a bit, but rather than derail an unrelated news thread, I want to create a new one. I'm not sure what the appropriate subforum would be, as I didn't see one for "home theater" or "audio". Screens? It doesn't strictly fit into any of those categories.
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I'd say that the general computer section would probably be a good place since HT setups can definitely branch off into a bunch of directions. I've been doing them for myself since P4 days. I'll happily answer as much as I can and I'm others will chime in too with their experiences.

Tempest said:
The remote control for the LG C3 drives me nuts. The motion-controlled pointer pops up automatically in response to any of the buttons that invoke a function that accepts further user input. There should be an option to disable that anti-feature.
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Great panels/TV's but yeah, those remotes suck and seem to be getting worse. We just got a 65" C3 for the bedroom because a crapola HiSense bit it a few months back and we both feel like the wheel is worse than the C9's.
 
Tempest said:
The remote control for the LG C3 drives me nuts. The motion-controlled pointer pops up automatically in response to any of the buttons that invoke a function that accepts further user input. There should be an option to disable that anti-feature.
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Couldn't agree more. It was driving me nuts, so I bought a cheap knock-off remote on eBay that only has the IR function and lacks the accelerometer function. It works well, but the accelerometer function was not the only thing to disappear. I now no longer have the ability to long-press the settings button to go straight to picture settings, but it is a small price to pay to get rid of the obnoxious accelerometer pointer.
 
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