Microsoft Says That Limited Resources Prevent It from Using AMD in Surface Devices Even as It Partners with Other Vendors for Its Mobile PCs

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Microsoft says that it maintains a good working relationship with AMD despite that it continues to work with many others, but not Team Red, for its Surface brand mobile PCs. Given that both Intel and Qualcomm currently provide processors for Surface devices, and there’s something in the works with NVIDIA, it is peculiar that Surface […]

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makes no sense why the Surface guys hate AMD

stuff was so bad that when xbox initially decided on doing a first party handheld they gave the job to the surface division, who — naturally — chose an arm processor. luckily the whole thing was scrapped / shelved in favor of third party OEM stuff such as Rog Ally X
 
Idk, is AMD finally great at laptops? For so many years, specs read great but implementation: always below competition
 
Idk, is AMD finally great at laptops? For so many years, specs read great but implementation: always below competition
and hard as f to get in reality. I still remember several years ago pre-ordering an ASUS with an RTX 4090 mobile laptop six months in advance which had the equivalent of a mobile 9950 CPU and a month after it was supposed to launch ASUS cancelled it. As quick as I was to want to blame them it turns out the AMD version never launched at all.

Then last year when the 5090 mobile finally made its way to the U.S. the AMD X3D mobile processor was nowhere to be found even though it'd been listed on store pages in Asia for six months prior. I'm happy with the Intel chip mine came with but I would've preferred AMDs offering.
 
So everybody and their dog has an arm cpu... For the first time, i think truly the direction for x86 is death. Yes it will take some time, but i think x86 been marked for deprecation, i mean fully marked.
The adoption of arm at all levels is simply snowballing massively.
From, no too hard to do 20yrs ago, to whatver we have coverted our software already to arm, like quickly.
 
So everybody and their dog has an arm cpu... For the first time, i think truly the direction for x86 is death. Yes it will take some time, but i think x86 been marked for deprecation, i mean fully marked.
x86 players will not give up their baby that easily and they will compete aggressively with ARM. Because if they are left with no choice but to license ARM, they end up paying royalties to ARM (Softbank) which they never want to do. It would be the ultimate defeat if that comes to pass.

I think even Apple might be working behind the scenes on their own royalty-free RISC-V CPU so they can own everything and not pay a penny in licensing fees.
 
x86 players will not give up their baby that easily and they will compete aggressively with ARM. Because if they are left with no choice but to license ARM, they end up paying royalties to ARM (Softbank) which they never want to do. It would be the ultimate defeat if that comes to pass.

I think even Apple might be working behind the scenes on their own royalty-free RISC-V CPU so they can own everything and not pay a penny in licensing fees.
You know, the royalties we’ve been paying for
x86 all these years hasn’t exactly been cheap either.

Maybe it isn’t a dollar figure, per say, but a severe limiting of offerings and high die prices. Not like Caruso and Cyrix are still out there helping with competition…
 
almost entirely agree except for the lack of lanes available at the consumer level. Not that I truly need them but I do miss having the option.
If they gave that away, their HEDT sales would crash coz most of the users are buying those more for the lanes than the quad channel RAM or extra cores. I do wish they would introduce an HEDT Jr. platform with triple channel RAM, dual sockets that accept only consumer CPUs and 50% more lanes than the desktop platform. It would sell well. And if they can set it up so that you are running different OSes on each CPU and can switch between them on the fly (a UEFI based hypervisor) then that would be even more enticing. So many times I've looked at some Linux software wistfully but unable to try it because I don't want to run a VM and they still don't have vertical M2 slots on mobos so you can just pop in an NVMe stick and start working right away.
 
That was bugging me coz never heard about that and then google told me, maybe you mean Transmeta Crusoe! It was a really cool concept.

This is the modern successor: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/patm...-operations-activity-7510767776479825923-Orw1

When launched, they are hinting that it will be able to run x86, ARM or RISC-V code coz it's ISA agnostic.

sounds like the material pipe dreams, faster gates than carbon nanotube, runs at 1/20th the power, and generates 1/1000th the heat... Capable of densities 5000x the current generation blah blah blah...

While we need those moonshot goals... they tend to list them as turn the page and we are there!
 
If they gave that away, their HEDT sales would crash coz most of the users are buying those more for the lanes than the quad channel RAM or extra cores.
He is talking about HEDT. The problem is HEDT no longer exists. He's wishing it still existed, as do I. I sorely miss it. Current-gen Threadripper and Threadripper Pro are sometimes called "HEDT" but they are faaaaar from it. Those are priced waaaaay the f*ck too high to be considered the middle-ground "prosumer" market that exists between consumer mainstream and workstation/server/enterprise. I sure as f*ck don't consider them HEDT. Stuff like X58, X79, X99, etc, THOSE were true HEDT. Threadripper started out there, but after a couple generations they h3lla lost the plot on that sh1t. Still, I give them props for at continuing to at least pretend, whereas Intel pretty much gave up on HEDT after X299, if I recall correctly.

they still don't have vertical M2 slots on mobos
My X99 board from 2014 has one:
 
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