Nvidia rumor mill, whats up?

LeRoy_Blanchard

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I am in the market for a new GPU to replace my 3090. I've thought about buying a 4090, but I want one with a water block preinstalled. After going through the work of installing a water block on my 3090, I'd rather pay a premium to have it done for me.

So I went looking for 4090s that have water blocks on them already and nothing is out there from what I could find except for the used market. I see one company, INNO3D made one, but apparently its no longer in production as every place has it out of stock.

So, I guess my only option is for Nvidia to come out with a new flagship card and these companies slapping the water block on them for their limited runs.

Therefore, whats on the horizon for Nvidia and new GPUs?
 
Maybe it will be around the same time AMD comes out with it's new CPUs. So I can do a full system upgrade at once.

I've been debating adding a NVME water block to my water loop to keep it cool' specifically for the Gen5 drives. But I've read that the NAND chips like to run warm, while the controller is what gets too warm and causes the throttling. I wonder how I could utilize a water block to cool mostly the controller and not so much the NAND chips.
 
LeRoy_Blanchard said:
Maybe it will be around the same time AMD comes out with it's new CPUs. So I can do a full system upgrade at once.

I've been debating adding a NVME water block to my water loop to keep it cool' specifically for the Gen5 drives. But I've read that the NAND chips like to run warm, while the controller is what gets too warm and causes the throttling. I wonder how I could utilize a water block to cool mostly the controller and not so much the NAND chips.
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I'm waiting till they upgrade the controllers to a new gen, instead of using overclocked Gen 4 controllers (seems to happen every generation...).

You'll note that Samsung hasn't jumped on the Gen 5 bandwagon yet, and that's when I will probably look at upgrading.
 
Actually I wasn't aware of them using overclocked Gen4 controllers. That would explain why heat is such an issue for them?
 
LeRoy_Blanchard said:
Actually I wasn't aware of them using overclocked Gen4 controllers. That would explain why heat is such an issue for them?
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Seems to be. When they get that under control and start hitting closer to the theoretical 16GB/s transfer rate they'll likely be worth a closer look.
 
*This is not based on any official information*

My guess, is 5090 before 2024 is up, and maybe also 5080. More precisely? Maybe Q4 latest, maybe end of Q3 if they really want to stick it to everyone, but I would think that might be rushed.
 
LeRoy_Blanchard said:
Maybe it will be around the same time AMD comes out with it's new CPUs. So I can do a full system upgrade at once.
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Zen 5 should come soon. Something like july

No pressure on nvidia to release 5090 / 5080. Mostly last quarter
 
I've lost track of all the leakers but the ongoing rumor is, 5090 by the end of the year. Like Brent said though, this is not based on anything official. However, all the usual suspects for rumors have been saying the same for a while now.

The only real trick is even if that ends up being true is what will their availability be like. I'm holding out and recommend the same but also not expecting I'll be able to actually get one until Q1 25 due to scalping. I'm hoping that MSI does another like the 4090 Liquid Suprim X since that has been a fantastic card for me.
 
I'd agree on waiting, but I've seen 4090 FE cards for US$1599 at Nvidia's site and Best Buy going in and out of stock...

A 4080 FE might be a good stopgap, but I think personally I'm going to want a big-VRAM part next, and especially something that doesn't compromise on memory bandwidth as I'd like to explore high-refresh 4k (probably a 240Hz OLED) as well as super resolution, which currently challenges the 12GB 3080 I have.
 
16GB is fine for a while - 4080 has 16GB

Unless you are doing LLMs, 16GB is fine for gaming for a long while, probably until the PS6
 
Gaming isn't the only thing I do with my GPU and having a bunch of VRAM in some use cases is beneficial.

As for gaming, I game on 1x 4K monitor or 3x 4K monitors depending on the game. Need all I can get.
 
I have zero doubt there'll be an RTX 50 series with AIOs. They pretty much started becoming quasi-mainstream with the RTX 30 series. Sure there were some before that but honestly the prices and availability have been the issues from then to now. I think I saw around a half dozen different AIO models for the 40 series, at least two or three (GIGABYTE, MSI, ASUS) for here in the US and maybe 3-4 more overseas (INNO3D, GALAX, and a couple of others I can't remember).

At this point, I wouldn't pull the trigger on one (4090 w/ AIO) unless you're desperate and the price is insanely low but on the flip side it sounds like a 5090 won't appear until Q1 2025 (maybe right before the holidays), and even then who knows about availability and prices for a custom model with an AIO will go for. I'm guessing $2K, maybe more. Way more if they launch a Titan and it seems probable they might since it's been a bit since that last one.

As far as 4080s, super or otherwise with AIOs, yeah, those were more rare but honestly fairly unnecessary. The Zotac I've got is amazing with it's gigantic heatsink and I've read good things for some other models. The 4080 SUPERs are so power efficient that most air-cooled cards will do fine as long they are designed well and can breathe.
 
Peter_Brosdahl said:
I have zero doubt there'll be an RTX 50 series with AIOs. They pretty much started becoming quasi-mainstream with the RTX 30 series. Sure there were some before that but honestly the prices and availability have been the issues from then to now. I think I saw around a half dozen different AIO models for the 40 series, at least two or three (GIGABYTE, MSI, ASUS) for here in the US and maybe 3-4 more overseas (INNO3D, GALAX, and a couple of others I can't remember).

At this point, I wouldn't pull the trigger on one (4090 w/ AIO) unless you're desperate and the price is insanely low but on the flip side it sounds like a 5090 won't appear until Q1 2025 (maybe right before the holidays), and even then who knows about availability and prices for a custom model with an AIO will go for. I'm guessing $2K, maybe more. Way more if they launch a Titan and it seems probable they might since it's been a bit since that last one.

As far as 4080s, super or otherwise with AIOs, yeah, those were more rare but honestly fairly unnecessary. The Zotac I've got is amazing with it's gigantic heatsink and I've read good things for some other models. The 4080 SUPERs are so power efficient that most air-cooled cards will do fine as long they are designed well and can breathe.
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There is a difference between a GPU w/ AIO and a GPU w/ a water block.

Sure, AIO has a water block but it's a closed loop system.
GPUs with factory water blocks are intended for custom water loops. Which is what I am referring to.
 
LeRoy_Blanchard said:
There is a difference between a GPU w/ AIO and a GPU w/ a water block.
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Totally know this, just had one of those brainfart moments. Sorry about that. Yeah, it's pretty rare to find them with waterblocks pre-installed. I've seen some but can't remember any.
 
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