AMD Could Be Prepping a Flagship Next-Gen GPU Featuring 96 Compute Units with Memory on a 512-Bit Bus

LazyGamer said:
Yup.

Plenty of nay-sayers when the RTX2000-series hit too; yet here we are with consoles employing it, and phones are likely to base their rendering on RT within the next half decade.
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I'm still a naysayer.

Full blown 100% RT is still not real-time. What you are seeing now are some mud puddle reflections and shiny chrome on guns pasted on top of a rasterized scene.

The only full RT-calculated games right now are tech demos and ports of ancient titles.
 
grok summary of high yield YT's comments

In Broken Silicon podcast episode 351,
@highyieldYT
(guest Max) states that path tracing is currently only worth it in four specific games, while in others, it doesn't add much visual value.

These games are discussed around the 1:22:00 to 1:29:00 mark (under "RDNA 5 Performance," "PS6 Ray Tracing," and "PSSR 2 & RE9" timestamps), where path tracing enhances realism noticeably:
  • Cyberpunk 2077: Full path tracing mode is a standout, turning up the "realistic knob" for immersive lighting.
  • Alan Wake 2: Leverages path tracing artistically for exceptional light effects.
  • Indiana Jones and the Great Circle: Highlighted for its path tracing implementation.
  • Resident Evil Requiem (RE9): Noted for path tracing support, with FSR4 discussions tying into its performance.
He says: "aside from that um all the other games that have path [tracing] in my opinion are not that great right now or like path [tracing] doesn't add much."

This comes from the YouTube video linked in the original X post , focusing on PS6 ray tracing and RDNA 5 improvements that could make path tracing more viable in future hardware.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028863218534514958
 
Brian_B said:
I'm still a naysayer.

Full blown 100% RT is still not real-time. What you are seeing now are some mud puddle reflections and shiny chrome on guns pasted on top of a rasterized scene.

The only full RT-calculated games right now are tech demos and ports of ancient titles.
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They are still using the hybrid approach, but there are games that support path tracing like CyberPunk, Alan Wake 2 and Black Myth: Wukong and older games like Quake2 RTX and Portal use full path tracing, so we are getting there.

Take a look at the background scenes in shows like the mandalorian or the sphere in Vegas, they are fully path traced in real time using hundreds of professional nvidia cards at insane resolutions. It's only a matter of time we see it on consumer cards.
 
Stoly said:
It's only a matter of time we see it on consumer cards.
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Probably in ten years, assuming someone designs a more energy efficient AI accelerator than a GPU and Nvidia comes crawling back to gamers, asking them for mercy.
 
Brian_B said:
You are assuming we will still have consumer cards.
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Yes, there will be, IF nvidia were to forfeit the gaming market, they would bail from plenty of other markets where it's the dominant player.

worst that can happen is someone else will take its place.
 
I'm really having doubts about high end cards moving forward due to prices the power needs. Unless they can bring both down it is getting to a point where most of us won't be able to afford or operate one.

However on the budget side of things we're getting to the point where APUs or iGPUs are within arms reach and so it they're almost pointless. I think the middle tier will be here for a while though but if DRAM prices force them to idiotic price levels it won't matter and that seems to be the main reason the SUPERs and Intel's Big Battlemage are nowhere to be seen right now.
 
Peter_Brosdahl said:
I'm really having doubts about high end cards moving forward due to prices the power needs. Unless they can bring both down it is getting to a point where most of us won't be able to afford or operate one.

However on the budget side of things we're getting to the point where APUs or iGPUs are within arms reach and so it they're almost pointless. I think the middle tier will be here for a while though but if DRAM prices force them to idiotic price levels it won't matter and that seems to be the main reason the SUPERs and Intel's Big Battlemage are nowhere to be seen right now.
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I don't have faith in Intel's ability to compete at a higher level in the dGPU market. Not when Koduri had his hands in it. Everything that guy touched turned to hot dookie. I don't know who's running the GPU show for Intel now, but they've haven't really done much over the past year and a half.
 
Whether Intel pulls their collective heads out in terms of innovation is directly related to whether they can get their fabs running profitably.

They're subsidized by the USG now, so that's actually more in question than it usually is.

Otherwise, they would just brute force their way into decent marketshare.
 
Riccochet said:
I don't have faith in Intel's ability to compete at a higher level in the dGPU market. Not when Koduri had his hands in it. Everything that guy touched turned to hot dookie. I don't know who's running the GPU show for Intel now, but they've haven't really done much over the past year and a half.
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Didn't he leave like 3 years ago?
 
Brian_B said:
Didn't he leave like 3 years ago?
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He did irreparable harm. Wasted $5B minimum and all the enterprise GPU stuff he was responsible for got cancelled or discontinued. He's the moron who ensured that Intel will forever step cautiously whenever dealing with GPU products other than integrated GPUs.
 
Question is, how good are those interviews though.
Ok ok.in fairness, in the past some things read decent in the wiki. I think newer tech may have out grown human vision perhaps i dont know.

Obviously this happens except the Ryzen guy who seems someone just boinked his head with some kind of genius.
 
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Uvilla said:
Im mostly familiar with Jim Keller, but familiar means I read about him years ago.
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He mostly lost interest in x86 after what Intel did to him (refusing to listen to his advice). I can tell you from personal experience that nothing hurts you more when you sincerely want to help someone but they just shut you out and ignore you like you don't exist and do exactly what you warn them against doing.
 
Su said their focus is enterprise. Won't be surprised if dates keep getting pushed back, products canceled, paper launches, etc. A real AMD flagship gaming card sounds great, but unlikely while there is still the infinite money glitch.
 
Realistically they're unlikely to allocate resources for flagship consumer parts unless they somehow get extremely lucky with yields, or get extremely unlucky with commercial demand.
 
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