Apparently nvidia decided to linearly increase prices with performance.A 4070 should be a 400 dollar card... the top tier 4090 should be the 11 hundred dollar card and the 4080 should be a 700 dollar card. WTF is going on in this world?
remember when people were bitching about $500 dlls cards? Now $800 is considered great value, go figure.A 4070 should be a 400 dollar card... the top tier 4090 should be the 11 hundred dollar card and the 4080 should be a 700 dollar card. WTF is going on in this world?
It's bonkers. Unless I get like a 40% pay increase it makes no sense.remember when people were bitching about $500 dlls cards? Now $800 is considered great value, go figure.
By whom? 3 years ago I bought a top card for $900.Now $800 is considered great value, go figure.
...the names mean whatever Nvidia wants them to mean, and cost whatever Nvidia is willing to give them to consumers for.Yeah, so the 4070ti costs $100 more than the 1080TI did at launch.
On what planet does that make sense?
I think we're already seeing it, as you have an effective 'performance floor' for AAA-gaming. The middle seems to have mostly fallen out for the moment, so either you just need the minimum for whatever you're doing - and that minimum could be integrated into the CPU! - or you need the fastest thing you can afford.Could we see the complete erosion of new value video cards and a focus only on the high-end? It's a future that I see a possibility of, and that should sadden us all.
We can thank scalpers for the latest higher prices. People were paying upwards $2k for a RTX3090Ti just a few months ago, getting a RTX4090 for $1.600 sounds like a steal. Even better a RTX4070Ti that performs like a 3090Ti looks like the wholy grail....the names mean whatever Nvidia wants them to mean, and cost whatever Nvidia is willing to give them to consumers for.
And to be clear, at these prices, neither AMD nor Nvidia are having difficulty selling their latest and greatest.
I think we're already seeing it, as you have an effective 'performance floor' for AAA-gaming. The middle seems to have mostly fallen out for the moment, so either you just need the minimum for whatever you're doing - and that minimum could be integrated into the CPU! - or you need the fastest thing you can afford.
I think there's still room for even higher-performance parts, and even higher prices. I'd prefer not to pay them, but with RT becoming ubiquitous, if performance can be scaled higher, there's still a market for that stuff.
Yeah, I think that's pretty much it right there, DLSS3. When it comes to rasterization I have my doubts but I could easily be wrong.Pricing aside the 4070Ti is a hell of a card. Spec wise I can't see how it can meet much less beat a 3090Ti, although I'm pretty sure it will only beat it at DLSS3 titles. Still not bad at all.
Except it won't be - DLSS 3.0 --> not comparable.Presuming the 4070ti (msrp 799) has the same performance as a 3090ti (msrp 2000) as suggested, the cost per frame has dropped around 60%. Said another way, performance per dollar would be up about 350%.
That seems OK doesn’t it?
Presuming the 4070ti (msrp 799) has the same performance as a 3090ti (msrp 2000) as suggested, the cost per frame has dropped around 60%. Said another way, performance per dollar would be up about 350%.
That seems OK doesn’t it?
Yeah, but why? That's a rhetorical question, the answer is the crypto craze where they could sell anything at any price.Each tier/segment has moved up a tier in pricing.
Price creep due to inflation is not the same as moving tiers up every generation. 3 gens later compared to 1xxx, we now have the mid range where the top end used to be. This is not sustainable. I'm not buying a new gpu until prices normalize and I bet a lot of people are in the same boat. They might sell through the limited supply of 4090s for now, but it won't last. Excessive stock of 4080s has already been a problem for them in November, at it only got worse since.If I were to be fair, ever since I got into video cards in the mid 90's, I've seen prices creep. The trend, is not new for me, and I expect it now. l.
They have no trouble selling the top cards for now, but the majority of their profits and revenue always came from low and mid tier, exactly what they are having trouble selling now. With pricing the mid tier to where the top used to be just 5 years ago they effectively put them out of range for the majority of their mid tier customers. Some of whom might reluctantly buy lower end cards, or like me refuses to buy anything....the names mean whatever Nvidia wants them to mean, and cost whatever Nvidia is willing to give them to consumers for.
And to be clear, at these prices, neither AMD nor Nvidia are having difficulty selling their latest and greatest.
From what I've seen DLSS3 is useless in practice, it is a gimmick, snake oil sales pitch. It produces glaring artifacts, increases lag so unless you are nvidia boasting numbers on graphs, it is worthless.Yeah, I think that's pretty much it right there, DLSS3. When it comes to rasterization I have my doubts but I could easily be wrong.
3090ti is a power hungry hog, but I know what you mean, that it's performance is still good enough for most. But good enough shouldn't be near $1000, it should be $300-350.We'll see. Honestly, 3090Ti is still a great gpu. That level of performance for $800 isn't bad.
You could name it Super Starfish Fighter Number 1, for all I care, what matters is the price vs. performance vs. competition.
What I don't want to see is the price and performance scale up linearly gen on gen, which is what has happened.